Adult BB Gun?

[JCooperfan1911]

With ammo prices skyrocketing and winter coming, I am once again looking at airguns. Is the Red Ryder Adult a good gun?



Is it too loud to use indoors? Is it even accurate at all? Most pellet pistols and rifles are too loud for apartment living in my experience. Thanks.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

Hmmm...

I say this is a perfect time to buy one and do a review due the rest of us!

 

[JCooperfan1911]

Hmmm...

I say this is a perfect time to buy one and do a review due the rest of us!

It’s only $50 on Amazon so it’s pretty tempting. But still, $50 is $50 and I’ve not been able to find much good information on accuracy at 5-10 yards in terms of group size nor how loud one would be to fire inside.

 

[troy fairweather]

I wanted one of these but from that I've read the only difference is the stock is 1/2" longer and it's twice the price.

 

[troy fairweather]

What about pellet, cmp still has the daisy m853 used for $105 and $15 shipping. Very fun and very accurate.

https://thecmp.org/sales-and-service/sporter-air-rifles/

 

[troy fairweather]

Look at the daisy 499 there very accurate at 5 metters.

 

[Alex Clayton]

With ammo prices skyrocketing and winter coming, I am once again looking at airguns. Is the Red Ryder Adult a good gun?

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Is it too loud to use indoors? Is it even accurate at all? Most pellet pistols and rifles are too loud for apartment living in my experience. Thanks.

Damn does that ever bring back good memories! Its been decades of course so not sure how the new compares to the old. For in an apartment type range I am sure it would be plenty accurate. These kind make very little real noise. If the TV or radio was on I doubt anyone in another unit could tel what you were doing in there.

 

[desmobob]

I'm an air rifle enthusiast and have a selection of "springer" pellet rifles and pistols in .177, .20, 22 and .25 caliber, from Air Arms from England to Weirauch from Germany and several in between.

The Air Arms TX200 is a popular Field Target Trophy competition rifle:


The Weirauch HW90 uses an air ram, like the ones that hold up the rear hatch on your SUV, instead of a steel spring. You can adjust the gas pressure in it to tune it to your favorite ammo or purpose:


I got out the old Daisy BB gun I had as a kid in the '70's to see what it could do and I was really disappointed in the power and accuracy. I had given it a thorough rebuild and tune-up first, to no avail.
At 30 feet (!) ...


I tried a few new BB guns and settled on the Daisy 880S. It is a multi-pump that will shoot BB or .177 pellets and is surprisingly accurate. I can hit my 2" steel swinging target about 3/4 of the time from 25 yards using BBs at four pumps. I was so impressed, I bought a second one. One pump for quiet indoor shooting or 8 pumps for pest control.

I think they are easily the best bang for the buck in adult BB guns. I've seen them at Walmart but I bought mine (with pink camo stocks!) on clearance from an on-line source for very little cost. A rattle can of black paint is cheap...

Edit: I'm a little mistaken here... the Model 35 (also an accurate BB gun, is the one I bought in pink camo.

 

[LiveLife]

With ammo prices skyrocketing and winter coming, I am once again looking at airguns. Is the Red Ryder Adult a good gun?

I believe there are better choices.

When I had surgeries shortly after retirement and couldn't drive to my usual BLM shooting spots, I tested several BB/.177/.22 caliber air guns with surprising accuracy down to sub 2" at 50 yards with break barrel .177 producing the best accuracy (But higher velocity models are loud and why they need barrel "muzzle". Swiss Arms .177 sounded loud as 10/22 with a definite "crack" but penetrates well if you want to take out rodents that is flat shooting out to 50 yards).

Crosman Legacy 1000 was my choice for multi pump BB gun (up to 12 pumps and 800 fps with BBs) that can also shoot .177 pellets (1000 fps) but it was mainly bought for shooting quieter and cheaper BBs. Using BBs with 4 pumps, it was quiet for neighbors (Likely quiet enough to shoot indoors but you can also try 2-3 pumps at closer range for quieter operation) with minute of soup/tomato cans at 25 yards and would penetrate bottom of cans and with 5-6 pumps was minute of larger tomato cans at 35 yards and would dent the bottom of cans. To maintain pressure, key was using Pellgunoil at rubber gasket regularly - https://www.walmart.com/ip/Crosman-...ic-and-CO2-Airguns-0241-Air-Gun-Tool/19866113

I replaced the 4 power scope with a better one and zeroed at 25 yards that required slight holdover for more distant targets and holdunder for closer targets. With 6-8 pumps, it was minute of larger birds like crows/hawks/eagles to tops of 100"-150' redwood trees to chase them away from looking at our chicks/chickens (I only shot AROUND them).

Crosman Legacy 1000 is $57 and I believe uses the same barrel/pump mechanism as 2100 model - https://www.walmart.com/ip/Crosman-...riable-Pump-BB-or-Pellet-750-1000FPS/49772640

Had Daisy 880 for kids when younger and it was OK (Didn't shoot flat like Crosman Legacy 1000 even with just 4 pumps) and I remember we were forever pumping the lever like 8 times that I didn't care for. While I didn't test, $61 Daisy 901 multi pump BB gun (750 fps and scope ready) was a consideration due to accuracy reviews (One review said was hitting T posts at 50 yards using BBs) but wasn't in stock the day I went shopping (And doesn't come with scope) - https://www.walmart.com/ip/Daisy-90...8tDK5naTqA86Md1eAPp&athancid=null&athena=true

 

[Twocanary]

With ammo prices skyrocketing and winter coming, I am once again looking at airguns. Is the Red Ryder Adult a good gun?

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Is it too loud to use indoors? Is it even accurate at all? Most pellet pistols and rifles are too loud for apartment living in my experience. Thanks.

I think it would good for inside the apartment, imho. I have the daisy/avanti 499 which is the target version of the red Ryder. It won't be heard from just outside the house. LOP is a hair less than 13.5". The 499 is single shot, cannot be scoped, loaded from the muzzle and rated the same noise level as the red Ryder by Pyramid Air. Accuracy wise, dunno; last time I shot a red Ryder was when I was eight. I got the 499 during the covid lockdown to shoot indoors.

 

[CapnMac]

I had a Sheridan while living in an apartment, as one pump was enough using a small pellet-trap box. It was not as "handy" as my Benjamin pistol. But, that was likely location bias on my part. When I moved to the house, and had 40 yards of backyard, the Sheridan came into its own.
Your mileage may vary, obviously.

 

[cslinger]

A .22 HW30S is very quiet and a HEEEEELLLLLLL of a lot more accurate. You could even source a slip on moderator if necessary, which I don’t think it would be at all. The vast amount of noise you hear with any spring gun Pellet or BB is the piston dropping/mechanicals.

If it helps you could use your phone to measure the Db’s of various stuff in your home. Write the numbers down etc. I will take some Db measurements of my more quiet air guns indoors for you to compare. Just let me know if you want me to do this and if it would help.

Chris

 

[desmobob]

A .22 HW30S is very quiet and a HEEEEELLLLLLL of a lot more accurate. You could even source a slip on moderator is necessary, which I don’t think would be.

If it helps you could use your phone to measure the Db’s of various stuff in your home. Write the numbers down etc. I will take some Db measurements of my more quiet air guns indoors for you to compare. Just let me know if you want me to do this and if it would help.

Chris

I think the HW30 and Beeman R7 (they are virtually identical and I have both in .177 caliber) are the smoothest and easiest-shooting (and extremely accurate) springers out there. I often recommend them but most folks new to air rifles pick their first air rifle by comparing feet per second claims and usually end up with a fast, loud, and inaccurate rifle. The Weirauchs and Beemans exude quality.

BUT... the OP said he's looking for a BB gun and these are pellet-only rifles.

 

[Atavar]

When you talk about accuracy remember that is the reason firearms have evolved away from round ball smooth bore.
Without rifling and the stability from a spinning conical bullet you will not get great accuracy.

 

[desmobob]

I think I might have been remembering wrong when I posted about the Model 880's BB accuracy...

Now that I've been thinking about it, I think the 880 was very accurate shooting pellets, and good with BBs. It has a rifled barrel.
I believe it was the Model 35 (smooth bore and less expensive but smaller) that is more accurate with BBs.

I think the take-away from my Dasiy purchases was that smooth bore models did better with BBs while the rifled barrel models did best with pellets. Getting older and having too many hobbies sometimes makes it hard to remember the things I worked hard to learn!

 

[cslinger]

Well if truly limited to BBs then as was mentioned. The Avanti 499
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/daisy-match-grade-avanti-champion-499?m=617#1239

I suggested pellet because I thought noise was the primary reason for going BB.

 

[Nasty Canasta]

When I was kid we had a Marksman pistol that we’d shoot little darts out of at a dartboard in the basement. It was pretty tame but had a lot of fun.

 

[Kookla]

Will write more, but what you want is a Daisy 499b. Will say more as to why when able to.

 

[Kookla]

Will get the bad stuff out of the way first. The 499 is a Daisy BB gun. It's not something that you take out of the box and admire it's quality. It's made to be a target grade BB gun with the materials that Daisy uses for their BB guns. Folded sheet metal, plastic, some cast parts, stamped metal, ect. They tend to sound awful when they shoot. That being said, parts are readily available from Daisy for cheap. It's an easy gun to work on and there is a powerpoint file put out by Daisy showing you how.

The 499's shoot. They are used in kids' competitions throughout the US.

The Avanti BBs that are meant for the gun are cheap- between $7- $11 or something per 1,100. While the Avanti bb's are the best for accuracy, the regular Daisy brand bb's are good enough as well. Those are $9-12 or something per 6,000. The 499 runs between $150- $175 these days. For $250 you could get the 499 and 11,000 target Avanti BBs, or the 499 and 48,000 regular Daisy bbs. In a pinch, you can reuse bb's as long as you have a soft target your shooting at.

The regulation competition target distance for the 499 is 5 meters. That's something most anyone can get in their home.

 

[maxxhavoc]

What about pellet, cmp still has the daisy m853 used for $105 and $15 shipping. Very fun and very accurate.

https://thecmp.org/sales-and-service/sporter-air-rifles/

This is the way I personally would go. I had too many bouncebacks and ricochets with BBs as a kid, that I have preferred pellets since I could afford them.

And the CMP used 853 deal is a ridiculously good price on a Lothar Weather barreled air rifle.

It's still low powered, but the 499 would likely be a bit quieter. I just don't like BBs. Especially indoors.

 

[1942bull]

I have been thinking about buying a CO2 pistol to shoot targets in my basement. Trying to pin down good info is difficult. There are several air gun forums on the Internet. You can search for the model you want and, if luck, you will get to a thread of value. I also searched You Tube for specific models. Got some good info that way. However, it does take time to find the gems that actually inform you.

 

[desmobob]

My favorite indoor air guns are the Beeman P17 (with a little work, the trigger is amazing) and Daisy AVANTI 747 Triumph Match pistols. Both shoot .177 pellets. I have a steel pellet trap/target holder but a big cardboard box full of old magazines will work as an indoor backstop.

You can even salvage the spent pellets for bullet casting.

 

[aarondhgraham]

Why all the debate about whether it's a "good" gun or not,,,
Go to Wal Mart and spend less than $30.00 for the rifle and ammo.

Give it a try for less than the cost of a box of 9mm SD ammo,,,
If you don't have $30.00 worth of fun with it on your first shooting trial,,,
Give it to a neighbor kid, donate it to Goodwill, or simply toss it in a corner of your garage.

Aarond

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[LiveLife]

Is it too loud to use indoors? Is it even accurate at all? Most pellet pistols and rifles are too loud for apartment living

Why all the debate about whether it's a "good" gun or not,,, Go to Wal Mart and spend less than $30.00 for the rifle and ammo.

So true, especially for "indoor" quiet shooting fun.

Right now, Walmart even has Red Ryder Christmas model for $25 ... and plenty accurate for indoor shooting distances

 

[Alex Clayton]

So true, especially for "indoor" quiet shooting fun.

Right now, Walmart even has Red Ryder Christmas model for $25 ... and plenty accurate for indoor shooting distances

YEP! I too have been amused at all the suggestions for air guns that cost many times what the OP wanted to pay for playing inside an apartment. Yes there are FAR and away better but, OP was asking about $50 for inside and apartment. So I have to guess the range would be quite short. Most important is ANY trigger time is good. My first air gun I was allowed to buy myself was along the lines of this Daisy many decades back. Parents had a hard time getting me to come in the house to eat for weeks after. Next trip out with Dad to shoot my .22, that I could only take with him, I out shot him BADLY. It was due to the time I had spent with that Daisy. After that I was allowed to take the .22 out on my own, when I could afford ammo for it.