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Adult sized stock for the Daisy Red Ryder!

Discussion in 'Air Guns' started by hAkron, Dec 28, 2015.

  1. hAkron

    hAkron Member

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    Not sure if this has been mentioned before (I did a quick search and I didn't see anything on it), but I just found a guy that sells adult sized stocks for the Daisy Red Ryder.

    http://chiefaj.com/red_ryder_bb_gun_to_instinct_tra.htm

    This is big news to me. I bought a Red Ryder a few years back (for nostalgia reasons mostly) to shoot at soda cans in my back yard and since then I've been wishing for a larger stock for it...looks like my wish has come true! $42 gets you an unfinished adult sized stock, and a large loop cocking handle shipped to your door.

    If you get a chance, poke around on that guy's website. Beyond the Red Ryder stuff, he has some youtube videos, and some other crazy old man stuff. He seems like a real hoot.

    I'll do a little review on this gear once it arrives...but I'm seriously excited about this!
     
  2. splattergun

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    You'll shoot your eye out, kid!

    Looks like a great idea. And only 150% of the cost of a new Red Ryder!
     
  3. mjsdwash

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    it says they're now steel at the bottom, still says aluminum at the top. Looks neat, and while expensive compared to the daisy, fairly inexpensive overall, for what it is.
     
  4. Kookla

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    I've got the Chief AJ Stock and lever loop. Lever is steel, stock is a much better fit for me. I put them on a red ryder that I pulled the rear sight off and filed the front sight down for instinctive shooting.
     
  5. aarondhgraham

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    If all you want is the stock,,,

    If all you want is the stock,,,
    It's a 1-by-6/8 pine board.

    1 hour with a sabre saw, router, and sander,,,
    You'll have one of your very own.

    Now having said that,,,
    The large loop lever is way cool.

    People forget just how much fun you can have with a Daisy BB rifle,,,
    I have a pair of "Spitting Image" Daisy rifles and pistols,,,
    Grown men have way too much fun with these,,,
    Green toy army soldiers are great targets.

    There is probably 100 pounds of loose BBs in my back yard. :eek:

    Aarond

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  6. hAkron

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    Well, maybe fore you :). If I was any kind of handy, I would have already built myself one.

    The stock is only $25, and the look is another $10. For me, that's a bargain and a half. I only paid $25 for my Red Ryder, but I would have easily spent more for a man sized factory version.
     
  7. Baltimore_900

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    Air Rifle Modifications

    Some of us have the technical ability and tools to make the modifications we want/need and some of us don't. A quick trip though YouTube will reveal videos on air rifle/pellet mods. Some worthwhile and some not worth the time it takes to watch it.

    We love to tinker, though, don't we? An air rifle designed for the masses may not meet the criteria of the individual customer. The idea of an adult sized stock plus the extended loop sounds like an outstanding package unless of course you are among those who have the wherewithal to do it themselves.

    How many times has a customer's suggestions or modifications resulted in a change in the product itself?

    What kind of modifications have you considered for your air rifle(s) that are still in the consideration stage?

    What about those you have considered, planned, designed, tested and implemented that have actually resulted in the overall improvement in performance for you?
     
  8. hAkron

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    Well, I may never know how this stock performs. I just got an email that my order has been canceled and my money was refunded...not sure what's going on over there. When it hadn't shipped in a week, I emailed the guy through PayPal. He explained he was on a trip, which is fine. He sent me regular updates that he was preparing my order, then today I got a paypal message that he was refunding my money. I don't know if the issue was that I contacted him via the transaction details on the PayPal website and maybe it was sending him daily alerts like if it were in dispute, and he just got sick of it and hit the refund button, or what. I'm pretty bummed. I waited a couple of weeks and then canceled out of the blue.
     
  9. Sunray

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    "...through PayPal..." Transaction was possibly canceled by PayPal for it violating their anti-firearm ownership rules. They're rabidly anti-firearm ownership. They've been known to cancel accounts and confiscate(as in steal) the existing funds in the account. Could be that you're lucky to get your money back.
    Mind you, a Red Ryder is a children's toy. Really not worth spending money on.
     
  10. Kookla

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    hAkron- why not send AJ an email and see why?
     
  11. hAkron

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    That's what I did today, the issue was stupid PayPal. When I contacted him via PayPal it basically put the transaction in a dispute status. He canceled the transaction, I got my refund, then I placed a new order and he shipped it off.
     
  12. hAkron

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    I think their firearms policy only extends to complete firearms, and not BB guns. Also, I have tons of fun with my Red Ryder BB gun, so I respectfully disagree with your assertion that it's not worth spending money on :)
     
  13. Kookla

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    Awesome :) Think you'll like it. I know that at first I wasn't too fond of the lever, but it grew on me fast.
     
  14. hAkron

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    The lever I can take or leave, but it seemed like a cool accessory, and it's was fairly inexpensive, so I may install it, or I may not. Should be here today or tomorrow.
     
  15. hAkron

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    A few more coats of Tru Oil and I'll be ready to shoot this bad boy. The loop lever fits the stock better then the factory lever, so I did install it.
     
  16. cobalt327

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    Didn't think this needed a new thread so adding it here.

    I recently ran across (and bought) an adult-sized stock for my new Daisy Red Ryder while looking for info on making a longer stock. It’s supposed to be ‘plug and play’ but turned out not to be. One problem was that the two holes (one vertical hole for a wood screw, one horizontal hole for a #10-32 machine screw) were both drilled in the wrong place. This caused the cocking lever to sit well below the stock (photos below). Besides looking bad, this could cause the stock to loosen over time- in other words, unacceptable. So I decided to fix it the way it should have been made in the first place. This left me with a good Red Ryder stock that I put to use on my Model 104 that came with a short plastic stock. The RR stock needed a 1/4” hole added to the front of the stock for the trigger return spring along with some minor fitting to allow the trigger to operate normally. While I was at it, I added a fiber optic rear sight from a CVA muzzle loader. It was missing the aperture/looks-like-a-scope rear sight when I bought it at a yard sale years ago.

    Fortunately the original holes were far enough off that the new holes didn’t intersect them. Regardless, I went ahead and filled the old holes before drilling the new ones. First I glued a small dowel made from a bamboo skewer and tapped it in place to close the vertical hole. I used a birch dowel for the bigger hole- got it from Home Depot for 30¢. After the glue dried I cut the ends off with a hobby saw. The new holes were drilled on a benchtop drill press after marking and double checking their locations.

    The other lesser annoyance is the new stock is made from 13/16” thick wood
    (1/16” thinner than the 7/8” factory stock). The sheet steel the Daisy is made from is thin, so the ‘ears’ can be bent inwards to compensate- but this warps the flat sides of the receiver. So I made up two brass shims from 0.032” sheet stock to compensate. After sanding down to 400 grit I finished with clear satin spar urethane over Carver Tripp Danish Finish in American Walnut.

    FWIW, if I knew I would need to fill/relocate holes and make shims for an unfinished stock that costs as much as a new Red Ryder, I would have simply used the RR stock as a template to make a longer stock- like I was going to do originally. Just adding some length to the RR stock would have been more than sufficient, but an enterprising tinkerer could have easily added some ‘style’, too. One possible hurdle to doing this is sourcing 7/8” thick wood- standard “1 by” lumber measures just 3/4”. A ‘full profile’ Red Ryder stock would require a ?” x 5” board, although ?” x 4” would work with a small change in appearance.

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  17. Kookla

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    Looks good! Kinda sucks that the holes didn't line up for you. I painted mine and it came out awful- so wish I didn't. Might take it apart and strip the paint.
     
  18. cobalt327

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    I had thought about rattle canning it but decided not to. Not sure what wood it is, I think I read somewhere it was beech or maybe maple... at least the grain was very straight w/o knots. Whatever Daisy used on the factory stock isn't durable at all- I could remove it with my fingernail. Came right off w/acetone on a rag. At least that part was easy!
     

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  19. cobalt327

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    Red Ryder parts order from Daisy

    Just received my order from Daisy. Got a metal lever, a pair of front sights (one like original, one fiber optic), a trigger assembly in case I ruined mine, and for my "Red Ryder Carbine" (yard sale Model 104 w/a Red Ryder stock, etc.) I got a wooden forearm and blued forearm band to replace the plastic one and a set of new screws to replace the buggered up hardware on it now. Order came FedEx, total order was $15.00 plus $9.00 shipping, and took 6 days from ordering to delivery.

    Trigger
    My biggest complaint w/the plastic trigger was the ratchet affair the legal staff dreamt up. Cocking the gun felt and sounded like something was broken! So I set out to remove the ratchet. Removing the trigger assembly is fairly simple- not as easy as the old stamped steel trigger, but not bad at all. The buttstock needs to come off then, after removing the screw that secures the trigger assembly, put the safety in the middle position (like a 10/22) and it slides out the rear of the receiver. Once the trigger is in hand, removing the spring that holds the steel ratchet rack in tension allows the gun to be cocked 'normally'. The spring is very stiff so wear eye protection!! The whole sound/feel of cocking the gun is now a ton better w/o all the monkey motion. Quiet w/only a single click at the end of the lever travel and buttery-smooth just the way it should be.

    FWIW, the hole through the receiver of a plastic trigger gun is in a different place than for the steel trigger so replacing the plastic trigger/safety assembly with a steel one ain't happening w/o quite a bit of fussing. The plastic trigger pull is somewhat stiffer than a Daisy w/a well broken in steel trigger, even w/the rearmost 'secondary' trigger return spring removed. But the pull has smoothed out with use (plus I've gotten used to it) and is now not a hindrance to accuracy.

    Front Sight
    My Red Ryder shot 3" to the right at 55'. Kentucky windage worked okay but I wanted it to shoot to point of aim. The front sight is basically a plastic plug that fits into the end of the barrel. It has ‘fingers’ that support/align the shot tube. First I removed the front sight and swapped it out for the new fiber optic sight to see if it changed the POI. It did, but I can't shoot w/FO sights worth a hoot. So I tried the new stock-type sight to see if it was any better than my original sight. It was better, but still shot to the right. To correct for this I used three layers of masking tape on the right side of the sight. This moved the shot tube to the left just enough to correct it to shoot to POA.

    Metal Lever
    This was the main reason for the order I made to Daisy. The curved metal cocking lever was only $3.00 (same price for plastic)! The catch was shipping, so I decided to add the other things because they would basically ship for free. It's hard to describe how much better the metal lever feels except to say Daisy should use them on all their lever guns and forget the plastic lever ever existed! The new metal levers have a nylon insert where the receiver "pinches" the lever to hold it in the closed position. At first I wasn't sure I liked that idea, but in use it works flawlessly.
     
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    Updated photos, the Model 104 "RR Carbine" has been painted satin black and now has a wood forearm w/blued forearm band and a curved lever to match the buttstock. Not shown is the different rear sight, I swapped the clunky FO rear for a rear sight from a Winchester Model 60A that had the notch filed wider. No good for a .22 but fine for this.

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    ETA Earlier I said the plastic curved lever cost $3.00, same as the metal lever. The curved plastic lever costs $2.00.
     
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    In case this thread comes up in a search, to avoid any confusion as to what Daisy sells for the Red Ryder and a few other BB guns as far as repair/replacement parts is concerned, I'm attaching the order form/parts diagrams for the Red Ryder Model 1938B, Model 10 Carbine, Model 499B Champion, Model 25 Pump Gun and Model 105 Buck.

    Note-
    • The Model 10 and 105 order forms show the complete plunger assembly- it fits the Red Ryder and uses the exact same components.
    • The Model 25 order form has a barrel seal and plunger head that also fits the "wide frame" Daisys like the Model 95.
    • The current production Model 499B uses a totally different powerplant, although the receiver is similar to the Model 88/95/96/99/299 BB guns. About all that interchanges between the older wide frame steel trigger guns and the 499B are the stocks.
    • Parts lists for other currently produced Daisys can be had by contacting Daisy.
    • Check to be sure the prices are correct.

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    I didn't realize that AJ was still with us. He used to do some great accurizing work on Ruger 10-22's. A friend of mine has one that he did and it is deadly accurate. Used to see him at the Belleville Illinois gun show years ago.
     

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