Advice: Don't carry in Marysville, MI

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Yes, you are correct, Art. I edited my post. I incorrectly made a sweeping statement that I didn't mean to make. Thanks! There are those few people out there who do criticize open carriers as doing so only to bait the police (or to compensate for a small whatever...I haven't figured that one out yet).
 
NavyLT said:
You have to understand something about Wisconsin. Your post should read something like this:



Not that I feel that way, myself...I will open carry 95% of the time and I do have the choice to do both.

But what torques me is the few people who are so quick to jump on the guys carrying the guns for "asking for trouble". So WTH? You just go around unarmed because, God forbid, open carry is the only legal way available to you?!?
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Very good point. I didn't realize concealed carry wasn't an option. If that's the case then I recant what I said and open carry makes sense. In CA, open carry is more of a political statement to try and bring about a movement to make CCW possible more uniform for the various counties we have.
 
Someone I went to college works for Marysville PD. If the department brass is anything like he is then yes, I would also not go to Marysville. Of course I used to live in St Clair and Port Huron so it was hard not to go there sometimes.
 
Someone I went to college works for Marysville PD. If the department brass is anything like he is then yes, I would also not go to Marysville.
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Sounds like more of a reason TO go, rather than stay away, to me.
 
Sorry, but if you OC, you should expect to be hassled. It may be legal and within your rights, but most average folks and LEO's don't know that and are going to freak out about it. This may still be America, but it ain't The Wild West anymore and strolling around sportin' a hogleg is going to draw attention.
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Personally, I feel that anyone with the above opinion ought to be arrested, hassled, and put in jail for having an opinion contrary to the law.
 
Art Eatman said:
...Yes, it's legal in some states. Yes, it's a right. But don't be surprised that many don't know that it's legal or that it's a right.

Part of the educational process would be to ....: Carry hard-copy evidence about the legality....
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Just a gut feeling, but I strongly suspect that the police in Marysville, MI know what the law is and know that open carry is legal. They just don't like it and are going to do what they can to discourage it. It's not going to be a matter of education. It's going to be a matter of getting hassled and pursuing available remedies.
 
Sounds like more of a reason TO go, rather than stay away, to me.
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Only if you want to be arrested. Some folks have the financial means to go to these types of places, take a stand and fight the fight. All the power to you guys. I definitely appreciate it. Not me.

These guys sound like some seriously dirty cops. I am sorry but you break the law, refuse to allow someone to file a complaint, you are violating the oath you took when you became a cop. That makes them dirty cops. Apparently, there is a good chunk of them in that particular department to facilitate this.

I come from a family loaded with LEOs and my disdain for dirty cops is about as great as my appreciation for good ones.
 
Too bad those two were not in that Seattle coffee shop last year. I appreciate good cops, but despise the rotten ones who play judge, jury and executioner (and lawmaker for that matter). I would at the very least consult with an attorney. It is free, and if you have a good case they might take it on commission. A hefty civil suit'll learn 'em.
 
Like any thread of this sort, it's drifting off toward politics. If interested folks want to put an Activism thread together and do some PMing to get it started, that likely would be better than grumping in this thread. It could stand to be allowed to fade away; I hate to close it...
 
You have to understand something about Wisconsin.
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Not really. The thread's about a town in Michigan (MI), not Wisconsin (WI). :)

And for what it's worth Mike Cox (current Attorney General) issued an opinion in the last few years stating that yes, open carry is perfectly legal under Michigan law, and no, you cannot arrest people for it.

Might be worth keeping a copy of that on you if you want to OC in MI.
 
That audio really seals the deal for me. The officer obviously doesn't know the very laws he is supposed to be enforcing and gets defensive when that fact is pointed out. I think the OC'ing citizens did a very good job of keeping cool and stating facts.
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On the rare occasion that I do OC I carry a little pamphlet with AL laws, quotes from our state constitution, and past AG rulings. Education cures ignorance, at least when presented in a reasonable way.
 
Not really. The thread's about a town in Michigan (MI), not Wisconsin (WI).

And for what it's worth Mike Cox (current Attorney General) issued an opinion in the last few years stating that yes, open carry is perfectly legal under Michigan law, and no, you cannot arrest people for it.

Might be worth keeping a copy of that on you if you want to OC in MI.
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Ok.... now I am an official idiot! I crossed my threads....

Doesn't really change anything. :D
 
Your buddies are members of Michigan Open Carry, Inc.
Tell them to leave sleepy little Marysville alone next time & go a little south to Detriot---
They may find many people (besides the police) that will be insterested in their open carry.................................:D:D:D:D
 
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The Marysville Police Chief has sent an internal memo to his officers informing them how to properly handle open carry issues in the future.

He acknowledged the cops blew it and is correcting it.

So, "what to do" has been remedied in Marysville.

To those who say open carrying is asking for trouble, it will stay that way if no one in Michigan exercises their legal right to open carry. Thank goodness many people feel like I do on this fundamental right issue.

I say bully for the two men exercising their legal right to self-defense.

The Michigan State Police have issued mulitiple memos and opinions informing police departments around the State that open carry is legal and the mere act of open carrying is not justification for detainment, nor is it to be considered brandishing.

This is a somewhat new issue in Michigan because Governor Granholm, when she was the AG, wrote a AG opinion in 2002 concluding open carry is legal (i.e., not tantamount to brandishing, which is illegal).
 
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I give you OC guys credit for one thing---OC is good for your health---look at all the exercise you guys get walking around showing everybody your weapon---b/cause when you get to your car--you have to place your weapon in your trunk unless you have a CPL.
I know you guys love what you are doing---what can I say !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!--:)
 
Wow, just listen to those cops. If I were their boss they would be in the unemployment line pronto. I can only imagine if they are that dirty to trump up a disorderly charge on someone for doing something legally that they don't agree with, I can only imagine what they would do to evidence/witnesses in an actual crime. Not good.

Those two guys really made them look stupid (although that's probably not too hard to do). I bet nothing happens to those cops in the end. Corruption/unions will keep these fools on the payroll until they do something that the media cares about. I just hope no one gets hurt or no innocent people wind up in jail because of it.
 
The way to deter intentional bad behavior by LEOs is to sue them as individuals.

At least in Ohio and Chicago, they're not indemnified for punitive damages.
 
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