Afghan Farmers Growing More Opium Thanks to Bush

[Felonious Monk]

Russ-- LMAO! You Go, Boy!

Opium is Gods gift to mankind. Any pain killer worth snot contains it, and for good reason, it works. From Codeine to Vicodin to Morphine.

...and don't forget Oxycodone!

From www.opioids.com , a wealth of unbiased information:

"If we could sniff or swallow something that would, for five or six hours each day, abolish our solitude as individuals, atone us with our fellows in a glowing exaltation of affection and make life in all its aspects seem not only worth living, but divinely beautiful and significant, and if this heavenly, world-transfiguring drug were of such a kind that we could wake up next morning with a clear head and an undamaged constitution-then, it seems to me, all our problems (and not merely the one small problem of discovering a novel pleasure) would be wholly solved and earth would become paradise."
ALDOUS HUXLEY
1894 - 1963

 

[kidao35]

And the alternative to wiping out the Taliban was?

Apologize profusely to Osama Bin Laden, pull out of the Middle East, pull out all support of Israel, and capitulate to the next bunch of lunatics with plane tickets, boxcutters, and an agenda?

Sounds like not enough body bags are coming back from Baghdad to Dover AFB for the author's tastes.

The left is really grasping for straws this week, that's for sure.

 

[Justin]

NAPALM! The defoliant that solves many problems simultaneously...should do wonders to eliminate recidivism among the perps too

Use all the napalm you want, it won't help. There is obviously a demand for opiates, and as long as said demand is extant there will be people willing to fill it.

In essence you're trying to use napalm to stop the effect of the free market.

You may as well try to use napalm to suspend the law of gravity for all the good it'll do you.

If the War On Drugs is the cure, I think we have a serious case of the cure being far worse than the disease. Because of the WOD, the fourth, fifth, and ninth amendments to the Constitution that so many neocons claim to hold dear have been essentially wiped out.

Because of the WOD, many legitimate prescription drugs are far more expensive than they should be.

I find it highly amusing that so many leftists think that a ban on guns will result in an end to crime, and so many rightists believe that a ban on drugs will result in an end to crime.
You'll excuse me if I chortle at the inherent hypocrisy.

 

[DeltaElite]

Have most of the fat slob doughnut eating employees of DEA and most other LE agencies figured out where we are going to get legitimate pain killers from if all Opium production is eliminated?

Well as a member of the fat slob doughnut eating po-po, mmmmmmmmmmm doughnuts, pain killers would be obtained like they are now, through legal means silly.
Our medication companies would only obtain opiates through legal means, at least that is what they claim.

The WoD is a farce and a failure. A huge change in societies attitude will be needed to end it. There is too much money involved for it to end any time soon.

FWIW, I like Vicodin, I really like Vicodin, but I don't take it anymore.

 

[mercedesrules]

You don't know how pleased and relieved I am to see this kind of open-mindedness on this subject on a board like this one. Kudos!

And, people that are "not even open to debate" on the subject should go argue 9mm vs. .45 somewhere

MR

 

[DeltaElite]

45acp and Vicodin are better than 9mm and Tylenol 3.

 

[pax]

DeltaElite,

I'm sitting here snortling at your post. Thanks.

Personally, I hate Vicodin. Stuff gives me nightmares. Codeine is good though. And what about 10mm?

pax

There will not be any violations to speak of. -- Supervising Revenue Agent Colonel Daniel Porter, 16 January 1920, as the US Congress passes the 18th Amendment to the Constitution, prohibiting the sale of alcoholic beverages.

 

[DeltaElite]

10mm goes with the most powerful of all. Morphine.

Tylenol 3 made me very anxious, Vicodin made me very happy.
I didn't care that I was in pain anymore, the euphoric effect from Vicodin effects me greatly.
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm, Vicodin.

 

[Bahadur]

Y'all do too much painkillers.

 

[DeltaElite]

Actually, I don't get enough, make that any.
I have been clean for over 18 months, not that I ever got that many, but I was given enough to be a problem.
I am truly glad they are gone from my life.

 

[Russ]

DeltaElite,

I have rethought. While I was attacking the enforcers, and I know alot of them who need some shapeing up, I should have attacked the morons in Congress and State Legislatures who have saddled the populace with such inane laws.

Vicodin is good but Oxycontin is so much better!

My point is, if you need such items, you should have them without some untrained person telling your Physician he can't prescribe those things. My cousin was an Orthopaedic Surgeon and he said he got hassled alot from the DEA and other LE agencies, let's call them the Gestapo because that is what they have become. He was an excellent Doctor and gave those drugs to those who truly needed them. He resented the fact that the Gestapo was constantly looking over his shoulder.

If you don't need these drugs then you should not take them. My question is who is to decide? I think Physicians decide and not the Gestapo and their war on drugs. Ah, but there is alot of money in the war on drugs and that is why the government and their agents pursue it. More and more tax dollars to fight a losing war.

 

[Roadrunner]

You needn't worry about the elimination of opium production. The few U.S. pharmaceutical companies that import the stuff hate using bulk opium. It comes from India, usually wrapped in newspaper filled with all sorts of particulates and related plant material. In its raw state, opium is a dirty product to use.

Most, if not all, the DEA licensed importers (there are only a couple) would rather use Concentrate of Poppy Straw ("CPS") or Thebaine to produce opiate-based narcotic medication. Both these forms are toxic to humans if you try to ingest them in their raw form.

By way of international treaties, the United States is required to purchase 80% of its narcotic raw materials (opium and/or CPS) from India and Turkey. The remaining 20% may be purchased from Australia, France, Poland, Hungary, and Yugoslavia.

Therefore, the U.S. licensed companies that import opium couldn't buy any Afgani opium if they wanted to do so. Most, if not all, Afgani opium will end up in the illicit drug trade as illegal herion and morphine.

 

[mercedesrules]

Russ said:

I think Physicians decide

I am careful not to suggest that only government-licensed experts should handle certain products.

MR

 

[Russ]

mercedesrules,

Are you saying that anyone should be able to get what they want over the counter? To be honest, I think that would be the way to go. Currently, if it's between government licensed persons, I would rather that Physicians had the say rather than the politicians.

As I understand it there were no anti drug laws before 1914 and I haven't heard about drug addicts running wild. It seems to me, if someone is going to abuse the stuff, they are going to do it anyway, legal or not. That being the case, I think they should legalize all drugs. I think there would be a drastic reduction in crime of all kinds and the resources saved could be used to help addicts that want to get off.

The war on drugs has failed and it's time we tried something else.

 

[mercedesrules]

(Russ) Are you saying that anyone should be able to get what they want over the counter?

That's what I'm sayin'!

To be honest, I think that would be the way to go.

Honesty is good!

As I understand it there were no anti drug laws before 1914 and I haven't heard about drug addicts running wild. It seems to me, if someone is going to abuse the stuff, they are going to do it anyway, legal or not. That being the case, I think they should legalize all drugs. I think there would be a drastic reduction in crime of all kinds and the resources saved could be used to help addicts that want to get off.

The war on drugs has failed and it's time we tried something else.

I'm with you! The only thing I would do differently is that I would give any saved resources back to the taxpayer. After all, he didn't force the addict to start taking drugs. Drug users can pay for their own treatment - after deciding if they want it.

MR