1a) It also does not presume having the capability.
1b) Going with your precise definition, it states the lack of effort and insinuates that being a deficiency of the poster; presumptuous on your part?
It's a deficiency of the argument, much like a building that fails to meet building codes because the builder takes shortcuts. If the best builders take faulty shortcuts, they are going to build faulty buildings.
It's a choice to do so, they can choose to act otherwise. Having free will, they are completely within their agency to choose not to follow those presumptions. I'm not sure why you seem to presume the lack of free will on their part.
2) Nothing wrong with that I suppose as long as you dont want to allow the oversight committee to do their job, as given to them by the government, in the mean time.
2b) If you have a predetermined conclusion, you may only want the the IG to investigate its AG brother.
In my opinion, there isnt anything wrong with the oversight committee looking into it since the Inspector General and the AG/DOJ are all 3 joined at the hip.
The oversight commitee is comprised of people of both parties and is more independant than having the IG investigate its siamese brothers.
Sure, then let the IG do it's job. If it holds back information over the course of its inquiry, it doesn't point to some conspiratorial plan, which is how many have taken the decision.
If you're unwilling to accept the investigation by the IG, then why should it exist? Or for that matter, why should any internal affairs division exist in any law enforcement agency, since clearly they can't be trusted to do the job appointed to them?
3) I didnt say it needed to be release to the public so I dont understand why you would insinuate that I did.
One idea would be to release it to the oversight committee and still be kept from the public.
That would be a good start pressuming they arent hiding anything and truly wont to put this behind them and regain some trust with some of their peers, subordinates, and millions of other people.
Please, given the leaks from the contempt proceedings which aren't supposed to be officially released, not a chance.
3b) Id be interested in that data too. Do you have any data? Or is the lack of data used by yourself to come to a predisposed conclusion and insinuate that it does not happen?
No more than what media coverage indicates.
I'll repost this that I said/asked:
Or is that a diversionary tactic to muddy the waters or to imply a more cerebral thought process than others exert?
If I were a betting person, I would speculate that the executive privilege decision was for the purpose of protecting the IG investigation. I do think that this is just more than Holder unknowingly making false statements. Someone down the chain has been, based on the evidence provided.
If one were to take the birth certificate history as a model for how they're playing it, they would definitely keep the truth close to the chest until releasing it would do the most damage to the deniers.
awgrizzly said:
My list is just a simple list of things that are known or suspected but create enough doubt that Holder can no longer hold the trust of the nation. .... This, his refusal to turn over documents, Obama's intercedence, and the apparent delay tactics all serve to provide enough suspicion and doubt to render Holder ineffective as AG. These points aren't arguable and the conclusion directly flows from it regardless of Holder's guilt and role in F&F, or the real purpose of F&F.
And I submit the evidence of the past posts of prolific posters that this was a false choice. The possibility of Holder holding the trust of the nation based on information which came out later was never a choice, they had already precluded that choice at an earlier point.
Davek1977 said:
Let me remind you that I wasn't the one making absolute statements about things I cannot possibly know...you did.
I said that the statements for the justification of the privilege should be taken at face value. Insinuations otherwise are, as I mentioned, having premonitory information. Although since it started so long ago, there's no reason to expect it to stop now.