Magnuumpwr
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What is up with the scarcity of this ammo? Found some on GB, at almost $2.00 per round. Did this suffer the same fate as Black Talon and somehow I never heard about it?
Aguila IQ Ammo?
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If I am not mistaken, production of Aquila IQ ceased several years ago- about 2004 or 2005 if memory serves.
It's terminal performance was hindered by a tendency to fragment excessively at impact and penetration was invariably shallow in the tests of the design that I have seen and I suspect that this may have been the cause of its demise.
It's terminal performance was hindered by a tendency to fragment excessively at impact and penetration was invariably shallow in the tests of the design that I have seen and I suspect that this may have been the cause of its demise.
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It was junk ammo . Lots of hype and lived up to none . I was suckered in to hype and bought 2 boxes when came out.
M2 Carbine
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Production was stopped several years ago. The reason I heard was because it will go through some vests.
I have never heard of anyone being shot with it, alive or dead.
I have a bunch in IQ 45ACP, 40 S&W and 9mm and carry it more than any other defense ammo. Because of home range testing, I have confidence that the IQ 45ACP and 40 S&W will do severe damage to anyone shot with it.
The slowest round is the 117 grain 45 IQ, which does 1280 FPS from a 3 inch barrel. When it breaks up the base is still 45 caliber, along with three fair size hunks of metal from the front of the bullet tearing through the target.
I'm not as big on the IQ 9mm because the 3-4 hunks it breaks up into are one 9mm size piece and three small knife edge pieces.
I still carry the 9mm IQ in some 9mm defense pistols though.
The MV from a Beretta 92 is 1588 FPS.
This is something a friend wanted to do with the 45 ACP IQ.
Shoot a five gallon water jug with the IQ from a 3 inch Kimber, while he taped it.
I told him I would shoot the top half first. Which I did.
The shock caused the jug to rise straight up.
The jug continued to rise and roll left.
While it was still in the air I shot the bottom half, which was still full of water.
The IQ slug hitting the water gave a second large water "explosion" while the jug was still in the air.
Doesn't really prove anything but it looked cool.
I have never heard of anyone being shot with it, alive or dead.
I have a bunch in IQ 45ACP, 40 S&W and 9mm and carry it more than any other defense ammo. Because of home range testing, I have confidence that the IQ 45ACP and 40 S&W will do severe damage to anyone shot with it.
The slowest round is the 117 grain 45 IQ, which does 1280 FPS from a 3 inch barrel. When it breaks up the base is still 45 caliber, along with three fair size hunks of metal from the front of the bullet tearing through the target.
I'm not as big on the IQ 9mm because the 3-4 hunks it breaks up into are one 9mm size piece and three small knife edge pieces.
I still carry the 9mm IQ in some 9mm defense pistols though.
The MV from a Beretta 92 is 1588 FPS.
This is something a friend wanted to do with the 45 ACP IQ.
Shoot a five gallon water jug with the IQ from a 3 inch Kimber, while he taped it.
I told him I would shoot the top half first. Which I did.
The shock caused the jug to rise straight up.
The jug continued to rise and roll left.
While it was still in the air I shot the bottom half, which was still full of water.
The IQ slug hitting the water gave a second large water "explosion" while the jug was still in the air.
Doesn't really prove anything but it looked cool.
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Double Naught Spy
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We found that penetration with it was poor, at best. Please consider carrying better ammo for self defense.
M2 Carbine
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Results?
Have you ever heard of anyone taking a COM hit with a 45 IQ bullet and living to tell about it?
M2 Carbine
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I and friends have shot many thousands of rounds of Aguila 22LR "Standard Velocity" ammo.
Originally I bought it because it was cheap. Quickly we learned it is the most accurate mid price ammo we had seen. It became our benchmark for accuracy. If I'm looking for some decent accuracy I still grab a box from the stash of Aguila Standard Velocity.
Such as this with a Ruger Charger.
I've found the rest of their 22LR ammo to be about as good, or bad, as the rest of the "plinking" ammo.
I still have some thousands of rounds of different Aguila 22LR ammo.
But on the other side, Aguila came out with some Hyper Velocity 22LR ammo. They claimed 1,500 FPS.
As I recall it only did about 1,300 FPS from a rifle.
It wasn't accurate.
The brick I bought was loaded with duds, way worse than 22 Remington now days.
Other than the IQ I don't have any experience with their center fire ammo.
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The second they say that it "evaluates the target and react accordingly" they lost any credibility in my mind.
Maybe they're better than the fragmentation suggests, but these are solid alloy bullets, not smartbombs. Newtonian materials only act one way at speed.
Maybe they're better than the fragmentation suggests, but these are solid alloy bullets, not smartbombs. Newtonian materials only act one way at speed.
M2 Carbine
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That may be a little stretch but the bullet does react as advertised.
They said something to the effect that against a hard target the bullet will hold together much like a FMJ and penetrate.
When hitting a soft target like water, jello, meat, etc, the front of the bullet will break into three hunks. The rear of the bullet will still be 45, 10 S&W, 9mm diameter.
I said, "I don't know about that stuff".
So I began shooting hard things like wood, metal, Lexan, etc.
As advertised the bullet held together and penetrated like a ball round.
(The 45 IQ went through the Lexan and a Winchester Silvertip bounced off backwards zinging by my head.)
When shot into stuff like water jugs and wet phone books the 45 IQ bullet fragmented as advertised.
Why, I don't know.
Over the years I've shot a good number of the IQ rounds. If I had the slightest thought that they wouldn't do the job I wouldn't carry them.
M2 Carbine
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Yes, that's one reason I gave up on reading the gun magazines years ago. You have to wade through all the BS to get to the truth, if there is any truth there.
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I just want the regular $8 a box aguila ammo. There is no way to asses the IQ of a chunk of lead and I am not going to pay more to see if that chunk of lead is smarter than another chunk of lead.
Aguila 9mm FMJ ammo will bust through a windshield or car door. I have never been involved in a firefight. I have had two people try to run me down in a car. I prepare for things that have happened in my life. I don't care what someone who writes for a magazine prepares for, nor do I care what Massad Ayoob has in his holster.
Aguila 9mm FMJ ammo will bust through a windshield or car door. I have never been involved in a firefight. I have had two people try to run me down in a car. I prepare for things that have happened in my life. I don't care what someone who writes for a magazine prepares for, nor do I care what Massad Ayoob has in his holster.
Magnuumpwr
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I am wondering if anyone has tested it by shooting through an auto door into some sort of soft target? If I am correct that was the selling point of it.
Deus Machina
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Check out FBI-requirement tests.
That's about how most JHP works.
Hard materials crush the front of the bullet in and prevent the cavity from filling and getting hydraulic pressure to open. Soft targets fill it and force it to expand.
The only reason the IQ went through Lexan was velocity. Otherwise, it reacted exactly like other JHP's--except that it fragmented, where others are designed to hold together and penetrate deeper.
Maybe--maybe--the 'intelligence' is that hard targets do not crush it as much so it can still fill and fragment after penetrating them, but I very much doubt it.
Double Naught Spy
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Plus it has very poor penetration into soft targets.
http://www.firearmstactical.com/tacticalbriefs/volume3/number2/article2.htm
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Of course, we already had this conversation back in 2006.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=239361
http://www.firearmstactical.com/tacticalbriefs/volume3/number2/article2.htm
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Of course, we already had this conversation back in 2006.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=239361
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I never bought into the "the IQ bullet evaluates the target and react accordingly" schtick either. There is no way that an inanimate chunk of lead, or in this case, zinc alloy, can "assess" anything and certainly not at the speeds necessary to process such data even if there was some sort of "super whiz-bang" circuitry aboard each bullet.
I never cease to be amazed at marketing claims that seem to rely on the premise that the consumer is some sort of a simple-minded idiot.
Penetrating hard, thin relatively ductile targets (like sheet metal) is primarily a function of energy and cross-sectional projectile area. Launch a grain of sand fast enough and you can get through some pretty tough stuff.
Magnuumpwr
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Read the 2006 postings. Thanks for the link. This tablet is worthless for somethings, like history searches on this site.
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Any ultra-light for caliber (what I call gimmick) ammo (starting with Glaser, then Mag-Safe, later RBCD and Aquila IQ) will go really fast and may look impressive on paper or against water bottles.
The problem is, water bottles seldom shoot back, and "gimmick" ammo is far less effective against real targets.
Do some research and make up your own mind.
The problem is, water bottles seldom shoot back, and "gimmick" ammo is far less effective against real targets.
Do some research and make up your own mind.
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Yes, shooting car doors, water jugs, wood walls, jello, etc, is not the same as shooting a person.
So I'll ask again.
Heard of anyone that took a 45 IQ or two COM and lived to tell about it?
So I'll ask again.
Heard of anyone that took a 45 IQ or two COM and lived to tell about it?
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As few rounds of it are around (or have been sold) there is a fair chance that here has never been an actual SD case of its use.
So that question may have as much validity as asking if anyone has ever been attacked by a pterodactyl and survived...
So that question may have as much validity as asking if anyone has ever been attacked by a pterodactyl and survived...
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Or at least no cases in which is was cited by name.
I've also never heard of any cases of someone being shot with Magsafe, or Glasr Saf-T-Slug or even basic Fiocchi HP and surviving. Or dying.
For all I know, it could have killed every last mugger ever shot with it, or they could have shrugged it off, picked the fragments out from half an inch under the skin, and stabbed the defender with the points left on them. The particular round is rarely mentioned by name, and this IQ is so obscure I haven't heard of it at all until recently.
I've also never heard of any cases of someone being shot with Magsafe, or Glasr Saf-T-Slug or even basic Fiocchi HP and surviving. Or dying.
For all I know, it could have killed every last mugger ever shot with it, or they could have shrugged it off, picked the fragments out from half an inch under the skin, and stabbed the defender with the points left on them. The particular round is rarely mentioned by name, and this IQ is so obscure I haven't heard of it at all until recently.
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