AHH! Finally!! Roanoke Times apology....

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Lessons learned in database incident
More discussion and thought should have gone into the decision to publish a database of concealed carry holders in the state.

We heard from literally thousands of people after our decision two weeks ago to post an online database of people in the state permitted to carry concealed handguns. Many people presented rational objections.

Many others responded with personal threats of violence and acts of intimidation -- responses we declined to publish.

The difficulty we've faced since is how to respond to the rational objections without validating the abusive tactics and attacks waged against this newspaper and the columnist who wrote a piece linked to the database.

Amid the firestorm of criticism, we've re-examined our decision-making process and reflected on the valid criticisms.

We've come to some conclusions.

First, we had a legal right to post the database. These were public records, legally obtained.

In some journalistic circles, that would be enough. The Washington Post's Marc Fisher praised the decision to post the information and accused The Roanoke Times of caving in to criticism when we decided to pull the database.

But upon reflection, we wish we had more fully discussed the potential ramifications before we made this decision. Dozens of concealed permit holders expressed heartfelt fear because of the exposure of what they believed was private information.

We gave insufficient thought and discussion to the potential that crime victims, law enforcement officers and domestic violence victims might be put at risk if their addresses were published.

Though many of our critics believe that the database handed burglars a shopping list of households with guns and abusers a list of their victims, no one can point to a single incident where similar publications led to a crime.

But we didn't know that until after the database was published. The potential for harm is something we should have given far greater thought to in making the decision.

For our failure to do so, The Roanoke Times apologizes.

We also regret that there was not a more compelling public purpose -- beyond illustrating how the Freedom of Information Act works -- behind the decision to post the database.

There are vital reasons these records should remain open.

But those reasons were not well illuminated -- or even particularly well served -- by the publication of the entire database.

The public should be able to monitor how well various jurisdictions screen concealed carry applicants.

So, yes, we made mistakes. The process for vetting this decision was not as thorough as it should have been.

Those mistakes, though, in no way justify the outrageous and threatening nature of much of the response. Very early on, a rational discussion of this issue became all but impossible.

It was extremely important that we not allow the unacceptable antics of the fringe to distract us from a careful examination of our own decision-making.

We want to assure our readers that, where we erred, we will strive not to repeat our mistakes. And we will continue to advocate passionately for the free flow of information that is the lifeblood of an open society.
 
We want to assure our readers that, where we erred, we will strive not to repeat our mistakes.

But we're not getting rid of the writer that did it, so there is no deterrent to keep it from happening again on something else.
 
VCDL to be on CNN MONDAY!

From a VCDL e-mail I recieved yesterday...


I was interviewed about the recent Roanoke Times debacle by Kyung Lah of CNN on Friday at Vinney's Italian Restaurant in Midlothian. The restaurant was very hospitable, setting us up in a large corner so that all the camera equipment could be spread out.

The interview went very well and was done professionally. Ms. Lah asked some of the questions that were posed by Mr. Trejbal in his article - such as, "Don't I have a right to know if you are carrying a gun?"

I had been standing up talking to Ms. Lah for couple of minutes after I arrived. She looked at me and said, "Since you have a concealed handgun permit, aren't you allowed to transport a handgun?"

I said, "Yes."

She said, "Er, do you have one in the car then?"

I said, "No, but I have one on my hip."

A little embarrassed for not having noticed, she then looked down and saw that I was open carrying.

I explained Virginia Law to her about having to open carry in restaurants that have a license to sell and serve alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption.

THE ROANOKE TIMES AND CHRISTIAN TREJBAL ARE HYPOCRITES!

This is TOO good! I asked Ms. Lah if someone was going to interview the Roanoke Times management and Christian Trejbal (the columnist who wrote the story about Virginia 'sunshine' laws, and who obtained and helped publish the CHP holder list).

Ms. Lah said that BOTH Mr. Trejbal AND the Roanoke Times Management are REFUSING TO BE INTERVIEWED!!!!!!!!

What about all that 'sunshine,' you were celebrating Mr. Trejbal?
What about it Roanoke Times? Surely you would want to lead the way by letting a little light shine on the damage that you did by publishing the CHP holder list?

I got a real chuckle when she told me about their refusal.

I guess I have been doing this too long as I wasn't surprised. I have dealt with people like Mr. Trejbal many times before.

ANOTHER VCDL MEMBER TO BE INTERVIEWED

Ms. Lah is also going to interview a parole officer who had THREE parolees show up at his residence, one while only his wife and child were at home! All three admitted to getting his address from the list published on the Internet by the Roanoke Times.

THANKS TO THOSE OF YOU WHO VOLUNTEER THEIR STORIES

Thanks to those who volunteered to be interviewed. I shared your stories with Ms. Lah and some of your emails will probably be used in the story. Ms. Lah assured me that your name and other private or identifying information will be redacted when emails are shown on screen. Only the part of the email that talks about how your life has been endangered will be highlighted and visible to make the point.

WATCH THE PAULA ZAHN SHOW ON MONDAY AT 8 PM!

The story is going to air THIS Monday at 8 PM EST on the Paula Zahn show on CNN.
 
An apology would be better accepted if they had indeed sat down and thought out what they were doing before they had done it..

When you admit you have done something without any fore thought all in the name of sensationalism or bias against certains members of society, that apology for me is not well recieved.

As professional members of the media and the first line of defense for the 1st amendment, they should know better. After all we are not dealing with a high school newspaper.

It was extremely important that we not allow the unacceptable antics of the fringe to distract us from a careful examination of our own decision-making.

They just can't apologize and leave it at that. Is the fringe they mention the same fringe that Nugent says attacked Zumbo?
 
"Very early on, a rational discussion of this issue became all but impossible."

I'll say. By not discussing the issue prior to publishing the list. Or thinking before acting.

John
 
RE: RKE Times Apology

This isn't going to get them off the hook, since the damage has been done. How about that parole officer who had those visits. Wonder how his family feels now, or how he feels.

Stanzi
 
THAT was an apology?

I must have missed the part where the RT apologized for drawing a parallel between CHL-holders and registered sex-offenders.

It is no wonder to me this microcephalic can't understand why people are SO angry - he still doesn't see the difference...

Peet
 
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Apology? You call that an apology? That smarmy tripe may give you a talking point at your next white wine soire, but it ain't an apology.

That's OK: this will be moot next year when the General assembly restricts the data.

TC
 
I wonder how the newspaper editors would feel about posting of public information about THEM on an online forum. Say, where they live, what schools their children attend, pictures of spouse and same children...

After all, the public has A Right To Know, don't they?

The amount of information publicly available these days is truly frightening. If the press can't be trusted to use that power wisely, they shouldn't be allowed to use it at all.
 
Though many of our critics believe that the database handed burglars a shopping list of households with guns and abusers a list of their victims, no one can point to a single incident where similar publications led to a crime.

Funny how they can see this logic as applied to information but not to 50 caliber rifles.
 
Send them an e-mail and congratulate them on their "apology." Now is the time for the honey.
 
Congratulations. I, personally, don't feel it's much of an apology, no mention of the comparison of gun owners to registered sex offenders, but it's better then nothing and it's a whole lot better then what those of us in NY will get.
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I had to take some time and mull this one over. Parsed out to it's basics what the statement from the "times" says is...

1) We published a database of CCW holders and thousands of people responded with anger.

2) We had/have every legal right to post the database and other journalists (Marc Fisher) agree and by the way Marc is now upset with us for pulling the database but we did it anyway.

3) People told us their concerns but we haven't seen any proof of damage.

4) We admit there was no compelling reason to create the database but there are "vital reasons" these records should remain open.

5) We apologize that we didn't give greater thought to our decision making process.
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Folks, this is not an apology, it's a justification letter full of weasel words and spin tactics.

#1 is just a restatement of fact.
#2 is an attempt to buddy up to us and say "See, we're your friend and we'll work with you even at the risk of upsetting our journalistic colleagues"... what a load of crap.
#3 dismisses us, the responding public, and makes our concern appear unfounded.
#4 Attempts again to justify their actions (because there are "vital reasons" for keeping the records open).
#5 And finally, the only apology in the entire letter and it is specifically for "not giving greater thought to the decision making process". It's an apology for their process, it's not even an apology for what they actually did.

Yeah, thanks for nothing Roanoake Times. Way to avoid taking responsibility.

A true apology would have been more along the lines of...

We at the times recognize that our actions caused a great deal of concern and anxiety. We feel that we made a mistake in this matter and are taking steps such as (fill in the blank) to ensure that better decisions are made in the future with respect to the personal information of private citizens. We apologize unreservedly for the distress caused by our thoughtless and indiscreet actions.
 
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Many others responded with personal threats of violence and acts of intimidation -- responses we declined to publish. The difficulty we've faced since is how to respond to the rational objections without validating the abusive tactics and attacks waged against this newspaper and the columnist who wrote a piece linked to the database.
:rolleyes: The media always says stuff like this.
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And finally, the only apology in the entire letter and it is specifically for "not giving greater thought to the decision making process". It's an apology for their process, it's not even an apology for what they actually did.
Exactly. They're apologizing for not doing a "consensus-building" seminar, maybe with the UN, before finally decide it was "the right thing to do." I can almost imagine these goofballs sitting around a table looking very serious and thinking, "we have a noble duty to show citizens how they can keep tabs on their government." Then they all pat themselves on the back.

Maybe if they had thought about it enough, they would have discovered the out-of-the-box solution to this privacy-vs-accountability issue: end the permitting process, and then there is no government activity that needs to be monitored. Maybe they would have come to this conclusion.. in a million years. :)
 
This is kind of funny:

I was blogging about Trejbal and used his name in the plural: "Trejbal's"

If anyone has the updated Mozilla Firefox for their browser, you know that your posts are spell checked in a similar fashion to MS Word. Anyways, when I right clicked the name to add it to my dictionary it offered the alternative: "Screwball's"

I found it ironic and somewhat fitting :neener:
 
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