AHSA Pro-Gun Pro-Obama

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Ahh, yes... An anti-gun group masquerading as pro-gun. What a novel idea.

Yeah.

"A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed"

These 27 words protect the rights of Americans to own and use guns. The American Hunters and Shooters Association is committed to these words and the ideas and principals behind them.

Mike
 
You can't be serious. You actually really think the AHSA is a pro-gun group?

TIm
 
AHSA is no more "pro-gun" than the German-American Bund was "pro-America". All of the sniveling, despicable lies in the world won't change that.
 
How can one be pro-gun and pro-Obama? How can anyone support firearms and the man that would like nothing better than to ban them outright? I mean really? Giving money to a firearms group that supports the person that wants to ban concealed carry, and just about all firearms seems to me to be driving another nail in the coffin.
 
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AHSA has been well debunked as an anti-gun front many times for many years.

That people keep falling for this amazes me.
 
AHSA is well-known as a gun-banning group scamming as hunters and shooters, but it wouldn't hurt my feelings if they send out a million or so free bumper stickers (at thier expense) as long as I never see one proudly displayed on a sportsman's bumper.;)
 
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Oh, you poor fellow.

Ray Schoenke is a regular blogger on Huffington Post, and is in bed with the Brady Campaign. That should be enough for you.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/searc...cof=FORID:11&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Ray+Schoenke#993

"I have also made a suggestion to the office that the AHSA present a Shiloh Sharps rifle to Obama - I don't expect that other gun organization to do so."

Why waste a perfectly good Sharps? You couldn't honestly think that Obama would accept a firearm from anyone could you? I can't even imagine the grief that would be heaped on him, from both sides.

Enough said (or should be).

PS- The 2nd Amendment isn't about hunting. Never was.
 
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AHSA has been well debunked as an anti-gun front many times for many years.

Who exactly has been doing the debunking?

It wouldn't be another gun organization that feels its turf to be threatened, would it? I mean, I am sure that such an organization - were it to exist - would feel compelled to be honest and truthful, right?

Mike
 
Considering that John Rosenthal was one of the founders, most of the founders have made sizeable donations to the Brady Campaign, and their primary legislative goals until recently were the outlawing of the most popular civilian target rifles and defensive carbines in U.S. homes, I am still a bit skeptical of them as a pro-gun group.

They have taken down their pro-AWB verbage recently, and Mr. Schoenke has stated that he personally is now against an AWB (in ONE dailykos post), but I see absolutely NO official repudiation of their previous position, nor do I yet see ANY indication that the AHSA would stand up against a new AWB proposal.

Can you find ANY repudiation of an AWB on their website, or ANY indication that they have reversed their pro-bans position, other than Mr. Schoenke's dailykos post?

Until that time, they are still more anti than pro in my estimation, though I would very much like to believe otherwise.

They also support summarily revoking the RKBA of anyone placed on the administrations secret blacklists (one of Herr Gonzales' pet projects), they support efforts to allow the AG to ban ammunition that can penetrate kevlar and can be used in a handgun if he/she deems said ammo "nonsporting"; etc.

In Schoenke's own words (on why he hates the NRA):

I can remember when I got my first gun as a kid growing up in Texas. The NRA was a respected hunting and gun safety institution. Over the last twenty years however, the organization has changed dramatically. Their leaders call our first responders "jack booted thugs"; they fight efforts to restrict armor piercing handgun ammunition that threaten cops; they oppose background checks on all sales at gun shows; they opposed voluntary industry efforts to provide free child safety locks with all new guns sold; they oppose efforts to keep guns out of the hands of terrorists (sic); they want to repeal restrictions on keeping guns out of bars and restaurants when liquor is served; they want to force employers to allow guns in the work place; they oppose efforts of our nation's big city mayor's to stop illegal gun traffickers; and, incredibly, they want to criminalize efforts by law enforcement to share crime gun trace information. This is just a short list that more than justifies labels like "right wing whackos."

Look up the actual legislation he is referencing, and tell me again that's a "pro-gun" position. Those talking points are straight from the Brady Campaign/VPC agitprop.
 
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AHSA Pro-Gun
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The AHSA is not pro-gun. I believe they supported an AWB.

The AHSA is an organization of fudds and a few people they can fool.(Like you)

Can anyone give the NRA's statement on them? I can't find it on their website.
 
Who exactly has been doing the debunking?
The National Rifle Association.

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=1702

Sunday, August 14, 2005

You might have recently heard of a new organization claiming to represent hunters and gun owners. The new group calls itself the American Hunters and Shooters Association, a friendly sounding name designed to earn the trust of gun owners and hunters. The reality is that AHSA is nothing more than the enemy in camouflage.

At first glance, everything about AHSA sounds just fine. They even have one useful tool on the website, a history of wildlife conservation laws in America--strange thing is it was lifted nearly word for word from www.NRAILA.org.

In their "Firearms Safety and Training" section we begin to see some curious remarks. For instance in the "Range Safety" section they never once mention that firearms should always be pointed downrange, the first rule in range safety. Another section recommends that shooters use steel wool to clean the barrels of their guns, an idea that makes most gunsmiths cringe. The rest of their safety tips appear to be written by someone who has never hunted. Never once do they mention the three basic rules of safe gun handling by which all shooters know and abide.

A look deeper into the AHSA website quickly reveals that this is no hunters' rights group. You quickly realize that they want to allow the FBI to keep records on law-abiding citizens who buy guns and put an end to gun shows as we know them. Not to mention the fact that they want to regulate .50 caliber rifles in the same way that machine guns are regulated.

The most telling thing about AHSA is its leadership. A quick look at their website shows that Bob Ricker is listed as AHSA Executive Director. Readers will remember that Ricker is a former NRA employee who switched sides and has actively worked for gun control groups for many years now. A few years ago, Ricker was part of an attempt to sell out your rights by brokering a deal with the most anti-gun administration in history. He then appeared with Bill Clinton in a White House photo-op. Most recently Ricker was paid by a Virginia based anti-gun group, where he lobbied to shut down gun shows and put further restrictions on gun owners.

A little further down in the leadership section John Rosenthal is listed as President of the AHSA Foundation. Rosenthal is one of the founders of the Massachusetts based group Stop Handgun Violence, a group that has been a major force in passing some of the most Draconian state gun laws in the nation. Gun laws that Rosenthal would like to see exported to other states.
 
Who exactly has been doing the debunking?

It wouldn't be another gun organization that feels its turf to be threatened, would it? I mean, I am sure that such an organization - were it to exist - would feel compelled to be honest and truthful, right?

There exists a court deposition (taken September 27, 2005) in which the AHSA Executive Director Bob Ricker (who testifies against gun companies for a living by the way) explains the membership and funding of the AHSA.

This is easily obtained and it's in his own words.

Also, the board of directors is made up of many people with long anti gun agendas and histories. Again, all public information.

More than one Board Member was also a Board memeber of Handgun Control Inc for God's sake. You have to be stupid to believe they have had a miraculous "change of heart".

You can hate the NRA all you want, it doesn't change the fact that AHSA is not what they claim to be, and it's foolish to believe otherwise simply because you don't like NRA.

There are plenty of publicly available sources for this info, you just refuse to look, or you are an anti shill/troll, which I am personally leaning towards.

Didn't we just have RPCVYemen do this thread a couple of months ago?

Oh yeah, this comes up pretty regularly.

It's a shame that the NRA hate leads people to this kind of thing. Hate NRA, that's fine, but join GOA or JPFO instead. Not this AHSA garbage.


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This may pose a challenge for some members to keep within the forum rules on civility. Please craft your responses in the best example of THR's dedication to rational and civil discussion of controversial topics like this.

Well the truth is it really isn't controversial to anyone except the anti shills involved with AHSA and I am not sure why their continued postings to this board are tolerated.

Alternative viewpoints of HOW to protect the Second Amendment should certainly be welcomed here, but this one is an obvious affront to the Second and all it stands for and allowing their participation on THR benefits gun owners in no way, in my opinion.
 
So why is the NRA "shooting blanks" these days? Because they don’t get it. The landscape has changed. With the Supreme Court overturning the D.C. gun ban, our gun rights are secure and government confiscation is off the table. Now, we can actually talk about responsible gun laws, conservation, public access, global warming – and even the economy.



"Now, we can actually talk about responsible gun laws"


A pro-gun organization that are FOR gun laws?? I think not, wolf in sheep's clothing.
 
Considering that John Rosenthal was one of the founders, most of the founders have made sizeable donations to the Brady Campaign,

  1. Is Mr. Rosenthal in fact still with group? Was he in fact asked to leave because his beliefs did not not in fact match those of the AHSA?
  2. Which founders made those contributions? What is their explanation?

They have taken down their pro-AWB verbage recently, and Mr. Schoenke has stated that he personally is now against an AWB ...

So the fact that Mr. Schoenke has public posted his opposition to the AWB is in fact evidence that he supports it?

Does the following prove that he's in favor of gun confiscation during natural emergency?

Clinton's true feelings about our 2nd amendment rights became clear to all Americans on July 13, 2006. That's when the Senate took a vote on an amendment to the Homeland Security appropriations offered by Senator David Vitter, which reads: "To prohibit the confiscation of a firearm during an emergency or major disaster if the possession of such firearm is not prohibited under Federal or State law."

Look at the roll call: 84 Senators, including Barack Obama, defended gun owners. 16 Senators, including Hillary Clinton, voted against us. That vote says all anyone needs to know about where the candidates really stand on guns.

The contrasting votes of Senator Obama and Senator Clinton on the confiscation issue are definitive for most gun owners like me. That's one reason I endorsed Obama on behalf of the American Hunters and Shooters Association (AHSA).

For folks who want to read what Mr. Schoenke actually says and believes, here are some articles.

American Hunters and Shooters Association Responds to Its Critics

NRA Nemesis Alive and Well and Supporting Obama/C41/L41/

Mike
 
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