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AHSA Pro-Gun Pro-Obama

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by RPCVYemen, Jan 12, 2009.

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  1. RPCVYemen

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  2. Bailey Guns

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    Ahh, yes... An anti-gun group masquerading as pro-gun. What a novel idea.
     
  3. RPCVYemen

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    Yeah.

    Mike
     
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    You can't be serious. You actually really think the AHSA is a pro-gun group?

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    AHSA is no more "pro-gun" than the German-American Bund was "pro-America". All of the sniveling, despicable lies in the world won't change that.
     
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    How can one be pro-gun and pro-Obama? How can anyone support firearms and the man that would like nothing better than to ban them outright? I mean really? Giving money to a firearms group that supports the person that wants to ban concealed carry, and just about all firearms seems to me to be driving another nail in the coffin.
     
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  7. AllAmerican

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    Mike has been bamboozled...
     
  8. TexasRifleman

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    AHSA has been well debunked as an anti-gun front many times for many years.

    That people keep falling for this amazes me.
     
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    I hope Mike is just jerkin' our chains here.
     
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    Handgun Control Inc = Americans for Gun Safety = AHSA

    Just name changes.
     
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    AHSA is well-known as a gun-banning group scamming as hunters and shooters, but it wouldn't hurt my feelings if they send out a million or so free bumper stickers (at thier expense) as long as I never see one proudly displayed on a sportsman's bumper.;)
     
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    Oh, you poor fellow.

    Ray Schoenke is a regular blogger on Huffington Post, and is in bed with the Brady Campaign. That should be enough for you.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/searc...cof=FORID:11&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Ray+Schoenke#993

    "I have also made a suggestion to the office that the AHSA present a Shiloh Sharps rifle to Obama - I don't expect that other gun organization to do so."

    Why waste a perfectly good Sharps? You couldn't honestly think that Obama would accept a firearm from anyone could you? I can't even imagine the grief that would be heaped on him, from both sides.

    Enough said (or should be).

    PS- The 2nd Amendment isn't about hunting. Never was.
     
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  13. RPCVYemen

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    Who exactly has been doing the debunking?

    It wouldn't be another gun organization that feels its turf to be threatened, would it? I mean, I am sure that such an organization - were it to exist - would feel compelled to be honest and truthful, right?

    Mike
     
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    Considering that John Rosenthal was one of the founders, most of the founders have made sizeable donations to the Brady Campaign, and their primary legislative goals until recently were the outlawing of the most popular civilian target rifles and defensive carbines in U.S. homes, I am still a bit skeptical of them as a pro-gun group.

    They have taken down their pro-AWB verbage recently, and Mr. Schoenke has stated that he personally is now against an AWB (in ONE dailykos post), but I see absolutely NO official repudiation of their previous position, nor do I yet see ANY indication that the AHSA would stand up against a new AWB proposal.

    Can you find ANY repudiation of an AWB on their website, or ANY indication that they have reversed their pro-bans position, other than Mr. Schoenke's dailykos post?

    Until that time, they are still more anti than pro in my estimation, though I would very much like to believe otherwise.

    They also support summarily revoking the RKBA of anyone placed on the administrations secret blacklists (one of Herr Gonzales' pet projects), they support efforts to allow the AG to ban ammunition that can penetrate kevlar and can be used in a handgun if he/she deems said ammo "nonsporting"; etc.

    In Schoenke's own words (on why he hates the NRA):

    Look up the actual legislation he is referencing, and tell me again that's a "pro-gun" position. Those talking points are straight from the Brady Campaign/VPC agitprop.
     
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    The AHSA is not pro-gun. I believe they supported an AWB.

    The AHSA is an organization of fudds and a few people they can fool.(Like you)

    Can anyone give the NRA's statement on them? I can't find it on their website.
     
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    From the wikipedia article, with the Washington post as the source.
     
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    The National Rifle Association.

    http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=1702

     
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    There exists a court deposition (taken September 27, 2005) in which the AHSA Executive Director Bob Ricker (who testifies against gun companies for a living by the way) explains the membership and funding of the AHSA.

    This is easily obtained and it's in his own words.

    Also, the board of directors is made up of many people with long anti gun agendas and histories. Again, all public information.

    More than one Board Member was also a Board memeber of Handgun Control Inc for God's sake. You have to be stupid to believe they have had a miraculous "change of heart".

    You can hate the NRA all you want, it doesn't change the fact that AHSA is not what they claim to be, and it's foolish to believe otherwise simply because you don't like NRA.

    There are plenty of publicly available sources for this info, you just refuse to look, or you are an anti shill/troll, which I am personally leaning towards.

    Oh yeah, this comes up pretty regularly.

    It's a shame that the NRA hate leads people to this kind of thing. Hate NRA, that's fine, but join GOA or JPFO instead. Not this AHSA garbage.


    Well the truth is it really isn't controversial to anyone except the anti shills involved with AHSA and I am not sure why their continued postings to this board are tolerated.

    Alternative viewpoints of HOW to protect the Second Amendment should certainly be welcomed here, but this one is an obvious affront to the Second and all it stands for and allowing their participation on THR benefits gun owners in no way, in my opinion.
     
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    That leads me to believe he didn't actually believe them, but is willingly spreading lies.
     
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    "Now, we can actually talk about responsible gun laws"


    A pro-gun organization that are FOR gun laws?? I think not, wolf in sheep's clothing.
     
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    1. Is Mr. Rosenthal in fact still with group? Was he in fact asked to leave because his beliefs did not not in fact match those of the AHSA?
    2. Which founders made those contributions? What is their explanation?

    So the fact that Mr. Schoenke has public posted his opposition to the AWB is in fact evidence that he supports it?

    Does the following prove that he's in favor of gun confiscation during natural emergency?

    For folks who want to read what Mr. Schoenke actually says and believes, here are some articles.

    American Hunters and Shooters Association Responds to Its Critics

    NRA Nemesis Alive and Well and Supporting Obama/C41/L41/

    Mike
     
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    Please provide a citation.

    Mike
     
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