American Hunters and Shooters Assn is ANTI-GUN

[hoghunting]

I ran a search and did not see a post for this so here it is as quoted from The American Handgunner:

The American Hunters and Shooters Association (AHSA) is making itself as a pro-gun, pro-hunting organization. However, if you dig deeper, we found the president of the AHSA was none other than John Rosenthal, co-founder of
"Stop Handgun Violence"(SHV). His bio on the AHSA site fails to mention this little fact. SHV has supported every anti-second amendment rights bill since the organization's creation. The AHSA is obviously trying to hide who they really are and what they stand for. Their Web site is www.huntersandshooters.com so spread the word who they really are.

 

[Henry Bowman]

Sheep in wolf's clothing.

 

[1911JMB]

I just looked at the website, and that may be the best example of anti gun dishonesty I have seen to date.

 

[Don Gwinn]

Never heard of 'em. People will try anything, won't they?

 

[AndyC]

Trojan horse, huh? Not nice - thanks for the heads-up

 

[V4Vendetta]

"Sheep in wolf's clothing."


I was just about to say that.:banghead:

 

[xd9fan]

I wish my fellow hunters would wake up on the guns right issue. As long as they can hunt in a smaller and smaller area...they seem content. They dont seem to realize the Govt is boxing them in. If I could have a dollar for everything I've heard a hunter say "Why do you need that ar-15?" I would be a rich man.
Wake up guys stop fighting each other and realize who the real enemy is....your Federal/State Govts.

It drives me craxy when guys here in Minnesota talk about hunting and then vote for the Dems:banghead:

 

[ElTacoGrande]

Never heard of 'em. People will try anything, won't they?

This certainly isn't the first time the Brady Bunch has started a group like that. You have to be careful of unknown or new groups and really find out who is behind them and what they stand for.

 

[Deanimator]

Most of you probably don't recall the old "National Firearms Association" (NFA) from the '80s. Not to be confused with the Canadian NFA (analagous to our NRA), it was a "tame" organization beholden to HCI, etc. In fact, they REFUSED to identify their board of directors. The reason was no doubt that there was considerable overlap between theirs and HCI's.

They were laughed out of existence, just as these buffoons will be.

 

[john1911]

Go to their contact page and send them an e-mail telling them what jackasses they are. I did.
John

 

[jamz]

Wow, they even heave out the old Kellerman study and the 43% quote.

Amazing. No, actually, not amazing. desperate and underhanded. I like to see them with their backs against the wall.

 

[grampster]

Sent 'em a "gotcha" e mail as well.

 

[Justin]

This has come up for discussion before, but it's worth revisiting in order to keep people informed.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=150420

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=149568

 

[ElTacoGrande]

The guy who is listed as the vice pres over there is named John Rosenthal. He lists his interests as being shooting but does not describe himself as a hunter. That's not surprising because Rosenthal is a Jewish name, and Jews are forbidden from hunting. So why would a non-hunter like Mr. Rosenthal be involved with the American HUNTERS and shooters assn?

I hope Mr. Rosenthal, in addition to his activities at the AHSA, will also participate in a some NON-HUNTING gun rights organizations:

http://jpfo.org/
http://www.gunownersalliance.com/

 

[LandShark]

Jews are forbidden from hunting?
Where did that come from?

 

[the pistolero]

If I could have a dollar for everything I've heard a hunter say "Why do you need that ar-15?" I would be a rich man.

Until I started looking at gun politics in earnest back around the time I bought that first pistol (funny how that works), I never would have guessed that the hunters and gun-rights people in general were so far apart. I may be a little off here, but it seems to me that the hunters do indeed care more about just their sport than about gun rights in general...never mind that some Ted Kennedy or Joe Biden-type wouldn't hesitate to label that .30-06 a "high-powered sniper rifle" or their preferred shotgun a "riot gun" and regulate them as such. I remember very well a commentary I saw at keepandbeararms.com one day, from a hunter who basically said the NRA was selling out hunters to advance the gun-rights agenda.:banghead: And all I could think was, "Good grief, it's like the NRA can't satisfy anyone, no matter what they do!" That isn't to say I think the NRA is perfect -- they could be doing a lot of things differently -- but I think they're on the right track with their advocacy of the RKBA for its true intent instead of the short-sighted sport advocacy.

 

[SnP]

People are simply ignorant to the 2nd Amendment, they think it protects hunting. When in fact, it has absolutely nothing to do with hunting.
It was wriiten with the intent of protection from tyranny.

Why would someone need an AR? Hmmm..... let me think....

 

[beerslurpy]

What is the Democrat Leadership Council up to? Why are they trying to nail gun owners while making overtures to show how much they love us? Is this the sort of love the farmer has for the chicken?

 

[Don't Tread On Me]

That's my favorite Oleg poster. It pretty much answers the "why you do need" question in a direct and honest way. No beating around the bush, no BS - straight forward with the politically incorrect Patriotic answer.


That kind of truth is too much for most Americans to handle.

 

[ElTacoGrande]

Jews are forbidden from hunting?
Where did that come from?

I'm sure someone else can give a better explanation than I can, but here are the basics. Judaism does not allow causing of unnecessary suffering in animals. Also, meat must be slaughtered according to a strictly-defined kosher procedure for the meat to be kosher. Hunted meat can't be kosher and so it can't be eaten, and the animal can't be eaten, then the kill was unnecessary, and that's also forbidden.

It is impossible to make a kosher kill while hunting. Only a captive animal could be killed in a kosher way. And, while I suppose it is possible to make "humane" kills while hunting, in reality hunting does often result in some suffering. I know there will be hunters here who say that all their kills are "humane" but I've heard way too many stories about mortally wounded animals running around for an hour to accept that typical hunting kills are 100% or even 90% humane.

I think it might be possible for Jews to hunt for pest control, but certainly not for the meat (which could never be kosher), and not for sport (which would cause unnecessary suffering).

For these reasons, Jews have no tradition of hunting, and culturally, most find the idea to be repulsive.

That's why the Jewish gun rights organizations say not a thing about hunting, and make it clear that gun rights have nothing at all to do with hunting. Gun rights come from the Torah, which says that we must defend our own lives.

 

[LandShark]

Not all jews keep kosher, though. Just because he is jewish does not necessarily exclude him from hunting.

 

[ElTacoGrande]

Not all jews keep kosher, though. Just because he is jewish does not necessarily exclude him from hunting.

It's a free country, he can hunt pigs and eat them if he wanted to, but his self-description does not list hunting as one of his interests, which is curious for someone who is a leader of a HUNTING society.

Jews have regarded hunting as a sin, and as being repulsive for MILENIA, from before the start of the Roman empire up to the present day. Hindus have more enthusiasm for hunting than Jews do.

Esau, brother of Jacob, is regarded as a bad guy, in large part because he was a hunter. Ever met a Jew named Esau? I didn't think so. How long ago did Esau live? I have no idea, it is from "mythical times", milenia in the past. Attitudes of present-day Jews have not changed.

Seeing Jews involved with AHSA is almost conclusive proof that they are a sham.

 

[Don't Tread On Me]

2nd Amendment is about hunting JBTs. That's plenty Kosher.

 

[beerslurpy]

A strictly observant jew wouldnt hunt because of dietary restrictions. Of course, a strictly observant christian would not work on sundays, so basically the rules are composed mostly of exceptions.

Most jews I have known dont hunt because they are city-dwelling, elitist liberal jewbags (apologies to Jon Stewart). More seriously, most jews tend to live in cities and hold fairly "englightened" liberal viewpoints. Like their non-jewish neighbors they look down upon the ownership of firearms and the wearing of camoflague as something only inbred high school dropouts do when they arent moonshining or voting for Bush. Harming animals as a form of recreation is as close as they can come to an understanding of evil.

But there are jews that hunt. A guy a know at work is technically jewish and he has ironically hunted jewfish with a speargun. But he also eats bacon from time to time, so he obviously isnt orthodox by any stretch. Actually, I am technically jewish (ok, give or take a few generations of Anglicans) but I am of the bacon-eating variety as well. I also dont hunt, so nevermind.

I will shoot those pool-crapping raccoons if I ever catch them though.

 

[ElTacoGrande]

Senor Cevesaslurpy,

Definitely there are some Jews who hunt, but the Jewish disgust at hunting FAR FAR predates Jews being city dwellers. It far predates the EXISTENCE of what we would call cities. It predates by at least 3000 years the concept of "liberal". It comes from times when Jews were rural farmers or nomads. So to make ANY connection between Jewish anti-hunting ideas and any aspect of Roman society (which the modern US descends from) is incorrect. Roman society had no problem with hunting. They had hunting gods. Christianity was sort of the successor of Roman society and Christianity has no problems with hunting. Yes modern city-dwelling Jews have lack of familiarity with weapons and share non-Jewish liberal anti-hunting ideas, but Jews perspectives on the matter pre-date modern (Roman) society by at least a thousand years.

2nd Amendment is about hunting JBTs. That's plenty Kosher.

Ah well that's quite another matter! Yes at some point I'm going to get one of my guns engraved, maybe an AR-15 with a Magen David and some bit like this:

The L-rd is with me, I will not fear what can man do to me. The L-rd is with me, through my helpers, and I can face my enemies. All nations surrounded me, they encompassed me, but I cut them down in the Name of the L-rd. They surrounded me like bees, yet they are extinguished like a fire of thorns; I cut them down in the Name of the L-rd.

but in the original Hebrew of course.

Anyway, Jews don't hunt but that quote above should give some idea of the Jewish warrior spirit. Don't you think that would look good in gold Hebrew letters on an AR-15?