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couldn't find thr's pellet gun subforum :)uhoh: and this is going to be rough) but figured I'd take a shot... and feel free to laugh if you're not down (i barely respect it myself, and a flame = a free bump lol)

Anyways, I just want to get a descent air/pellet pistol for sitting on my couch and shooting at a pellet trap. Lost in the brands, but been researching the basic types- co2 (eliminated b/c apparently they're the loudest, & dont want to mess w/cartridges and not consistent velocities), pcp (don't want a tank/pump or anything external hooked up to it, a little too hardcore)... so it's either going to be:

A) spring/piston pneumatic type (just like the idea of single stroke, and these seem to be the best outside of pcp, only the designs are just out there)... or

B) just a basic benjamin/sheridan multi-pump pneumatic. still have my sheridan .20cal rifle from childhood, honestly a big part of the appeal is something that looks and feels nice (smooth classic look etc, walnut lol) and the fact that i can just pump it three times or so and it's consistent velocity/poi from shot to shot, and half the price of choice A

So my question is, to anyone familiar with these things- have you seen a quality single stroke (spring/piston) pneumatic, that isn't a freakshow? Like I found a smoking deal on a IZH m46 (supposedly proven in int'l matches etc, COMPLETELY overboard to win my imaginary couch competitions)- it's this thing: http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/model.pl?model_id=941 there for $389 but I found it for $269 (including the al case lol and red dot). just a total FREAKshow. Gues it cold grow on me.

But anything like that but more classic/elegant look like the sheridns/benj? Prolly what I'll end up getting: http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/model.pl?model_id=233 just know that sucker will last, as my sheridan rifle has & USA vs russian

Or any other insights from anyone that might happen to know about these things (lol for your kids probably). Little embarassing, but thought I;d at least try here before joining an airsoft forum or something :barf: . I mean no matter how good a deal that first one is, that's approaching real gun money, but still my next handgun (36) wont be something i can shoot in my apt, and if i can justify a hundred, I can justify 2.5 that if that sci-fi looking pellet gun is really that much better a shooter. Any other ideas/input?

THANKS!

(btw I know the loudest part regarding apartment use is not the sound of the gun itself but the pellet hitting the trap, but apparently if you line the back with bricks of "duct seal" it just thuds silently)


edit- oh crap social situations? though i put in general gun. wait.. ok mods move/delete as appropriate.
 
The best air pistol for your use would be the FWB 65, no longer in production, but still available. The next would be the RWS 6M or 6G, both recoilless like the FWB, or the RWS 5G recoiling, all very quiet and accurate.
 
You probably don't want to shoot lead pellets inside your apartment. Lead dust and all. Especially if you have kids/pets. Airsoft would be better in that case.
 
Nothing funny about wanting to shoot air pistol/rifle. Here is a range review I did on the IZH46M.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=209115&highlight=izh

Here are a couple of other air threads I have posted various places.

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9666031561/m/744108606?r=744108606#744108606

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9666031561/m/257103126?r=257103126#257103126

Hope this helps a bit.

Not inexpensive but this is an excellent air pistol.
http://www.pyramidair.com/cgi-bin/model.pl?model_id=555
 
I set up a small shooting range in my garage many years ago. In order to keep the pellets and BB's from bouncing around any creating a mess I used self healing foam (like archery targets) and a small sheet of styrene foam insulating material (pink Celotex, etc.). Set up the archery target, then cut a piece of the foam board to fit the face of the target. Duct tape works well to fasten it to the self healing foam. The styrene foam will absorb the sound and catch most of the projectiles. Any projectiles that got through the foam will be caught by the archery target. You may need to change the styrene foam after a while but it will be a quieter impact.
 
http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/model.pl?model_id=308

Another one to look at, the Avanti 747. Very accurate and reasonably priced. Mine regularly shoots possibles at 10M if I do my part with cheap Gamo Target pellets.

The left grip has a big thumbrest that interfered with weak hand practice so I installed the left grip from the left-hand grip set and now have an ambi-setup.

I wouldn't worry about the noise from shooting or the pellets hitting the trap. A closed door would make it close to inaudible in the next room. And, the 'lead problems' really aren't either. The pellets are oily and stay together after folding up on the back of the trap. Easy to collect and dispose of safely. I add them to the pot when casting other bullets. Waste not and all.
 
you know how when you go to gun shows, and you see all the 20 and 30 dollar chinese air rifles? well, they also make pistols. Now the triger is crap, and like pulling a cinder block through a sand pit. A trigger job is easy though, cut the spring, spray lube inside, work the trigger about 1 million times. It is heavy, like picking up a full sized 45, loaded. mine even had a slightly bent front post.
but for 20 dollars?... so I took it all apart , soaked in lube for a couple of days, stoned smoothed sanded everything that moves, used grease, lube, synth lube, on all the big moving parts, etc. then I used some more lube. then worked the trigger and cocking mech another million times. I love mine now! Just to see what it could do , I have a tall kitch trash can in my bedroom by my fish tanks, shot the front of it, pellet went through the front and the back!
I took vice grips and bent that front post straight , obviously.
 
I was in the market for a airgun recently, and although I ultimately got a rifle instead, my second choise was a marksman 2004>. Most reviews seem to bee pretty positive, although there's a burr in the pump-tube that'll destroy your first o-ring.
Looks fairly "normal", and sells for 45$.
 
Another enthusiastic vote for the Daisy 747. It has a match grade barrel, and the trigger pull is adjustable for pressure. One pump for each shot, and very accurate. It ISN'T a very pretty gun, but I really like mine!
Nothing funny about shooting air pistols, either. The practice I get with mine in my basement translates well over to my powder pistols which I can't shoot in my basement. I'm married, and girls are funny about things like that.
Marty
 
The P3 will probably be a nice choice for you.
Lead dust and all.
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Unless you use a steel target, there will be no lead dust and no lead contamination except on the target itself and on your fingers from loading.

One of the least maintenance intensive targets I've found is a wooden box with one open side and packed a couple of inches deep with duct seal.

Duct Seal is available at Home Depot as GB Electrical Duct Seal. It's a gray non-drying putty sold in 1lb bars wrapped in plastic. It's usually in the electrical section on the bottom shelf in a plastic bin. The attendants NEVER know where it is if you ask for it by the proper name and rarely know even if you ask for it by its more common (though much less socially acceptable) name--"monkey s--t".
 
WOW

:eek:
A freaking review of the 46m was right under my nose in RECENT thr history. Incredible. So apparently that's the most gun for the money at entry competition level.

But one problem has arisen- cslinger... you mentioned that thing was quiet. How quiet (relative to say a multipump benjamin or crosman)? Don't think it would disturb my neighbors through an apartment wall? Because I was shocked today when I went into gander mountain and pumped a crosman 1377c ONCE then dry fired it- it had to have been at least 10x louder than my sheridan rifle is fully pumped (hard to quantify that I know, but still definitely TOO loud)! I;m wondering, is this just the nature of all air pistols in general, going to be much louder than air rifles? Or would you think the spring/piston designs are that much quieter to bring it down to my sheridan's db level?

I'll let go of looks, and make it either the izh46m if I decide to splurge, or if I go the ~$100 route, the 747 over the benjamin. I doubt I'm of a skill level to even appreciate the difference, but if it has a lighter trigger and better sights, I think I would appreciate that.

Anyways, further research is in order. In fact, rangerruck- I think I'm going to use your idea of buying a cheap chinese spring pistol, if only for testing out the noise level. That investment will (worst case) save me from buying something expensive I couldn't even use, or let me know it's indeed just the multipumps that are too loud (or maybe just that crosman is abnormally loud for some reason). Best case scenario I just shoot something cheap for a while.

John- that's exactly how I'll make my trap, thank you. I was just going to go for a premade trap and put the duct seal in the back of it, but I guess since the putty is absorbing the brunt, pellets wouldn't be tearing up the wood backstop too much? Would you recommend just plywood/particle board? Or plank style construction?

I'm freaking excited now. Thanks all.
 
With a couple of inches of duct seal, the pellets from the pistols you are talking about will never make it anywhere near the wood. You can pick the wood that's best based on whatever's important to you. The only issues are:

1. You'll want to finish the inside so the oil doesn't soak out of the duct seal into the wood.

2. Duct seal is heavy and will get much heavier as you fill it with lead pellets. The box will need to be relatively sturdy and you may want to make a stand rather than try to hang it on the wall.

Spring piston air pistols are not so forgiving as the pneumatics--they can really be frustrating to shoot--I wouldn't recommend one to start out on.
 
not as forgiving

What do you mean by that John? Not as forgiving? The 747 and 46m both have a spring (I was under the impression that any single stroke was a spring/piston design).

I have to minimize noise, or it's not even a possibility if it's too loud. But I want to know the +/-'s ahead of time. You think all the multi pump pneumatics are just as loud as the co2 type? That crosman 1377c really stunned me, how loud it was. If all pneumatics are just as, I can't go that route.

Didn't think about finish. WIll do that. On the inside.
 
The IZH and the 747 are single stroke pnuematics, not spring piston guns.

They compress the air with a single stroke and exhaust it with the trigger like a pump-up. Unlike a pump-up, you can't put more than one stroke of air in the chamber. They are lower powered but tend to be very consistent and are used in many match airguns these days while the spring-pistons have faded from the match airgun scene.

The spring piston guns move around a lot due to spring & piston motion and a lot of the motion happens between the time the trigger is pulled and the pellet leaves the muzzle. On a rifle, your shoulder provides a pretty consistent amount of resistance. With a pistol, it's all your grip. I can move the point of impact at 6meters by a couple of inches by tightening or loosening my grip on my springer pistols.

The pneumatics (single stroke or otherwise) are a lot more forgiving because there's not much moving around inside them.

I can't help you with the noise issue. I wouldn't expect them to be very loud, but I don't own any single-stroke pneumatics.
 
As far as noise goes, my 747 is MUCH noisier firing it empty than with a pellet. If I want to dry fire it, (and I usually don't because pellets are cheap,) I just cock the trigger by working the bolt without pumping it up.
Marty
 
Ah, didn't consider that- louder without a pellet. WHile I don't think gm would approve of me firing a pellet in their store lol, I think im going to test my sheridan empty- is that safe? (lol i worry about htat now that im experimenting on MINE).

Eta- ok I understand the difference now john. thanks.
 
They are all much much louder fired empty and in reality you should not dry fire most air weapons especially springers.

The 46 is mouse fart quiet with a pellet in it. You will disturb nobody.
 
Mine is a Crossman 1377. I paid forty bucks, no fiddling around needed as with the Chinese airguns. Accurate as the day is long, and powerful enough to dispose of small vermin when needed. Target shots or kill shots, depends on how many times you pump it up.

My wife's is a Walther PPKs bb gun. She uses it to practice for her carry gun, a Makarov. Our kids absolutely love it, too. It cost a lot more than the Crossman, though, and is CO2 powered.
 
The Crosman 1377 is a surprisingly decent little airgun. For the price it's hard to beat.

I wore one out coming to that conclusion. :D
 
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