ak-47 full or semi?? shhh... theyre listening

[webuyhouses]

I know your curious but it really isn't worth 20+ fed time you'll get if or when you get chaught.[sic]

what upsets me more than anything is this, being afraid to discuss because the wrong grammar could very well make the difference between curiosity and intent to commit a felony/ terrorist act in the laws eyes

eg: how do i convert my semi to full, versus in a intelectuall sense, what are the manufaturing/ engineering differences between the two versions of this gun

one is a ticket to federal prison and the other is saturday afternoon tales of the gun on history channel.



AAAAAnyhow,

i am getting some good information pieced together from different sources and suggestions here, and im going to try to put together a one-shot comparison of full v. semi and post it in a few places.

if you never hear from me again, i advise you to get out your men-in-black flashy-thing and forget you ever heard of the FA ak47, lest your out of control criminal government come after you.


gun control? the citizens arent the ones who need to be controlled im afraid.

 

[270Win]

Maybe you put the semi-auto sear under your pillow when you go to sleep and the Kalashnikov fairy brings you a full-auto one in the morning?

Post of the day!

 

[texlurch]

what upsets me more than anything is this, being afraid to discuss because the wrong grammar could very well make the difference between curiosity and intent to commit a felony/ terrorist act in the laws eyes

eg: how do i convert my semi to full, versus in a intelectuall sense, what are the manufaturing/ engineering differences between the two versions of this gun

See, here's the rub. Those of us who have been on gun forums for any length of time have seen more than a few posts of "how do I convert my AK to FA"

So, anytime a realitive newbie (9 posts) pops up and starts asking questions, it makes us leary of the "man" dropping by and taking notes, not too mention having the parts in your possesion constitutes intent.

It all comes down to why does someone want to know? 3/4 of the time they are thinking about doing it themselves, cause "I'll never get caught, right?"

Anyhow, the info is freely available on the web, if you are willing to dig. A public internet forum is usually NOT the best place to ask.

 

[Owen]

Prince, it's not that simple. Generally speaking, if the hammer follows the bolt on a semi-auto, the hammer won't have the energy to fire the cartridge. You need to have a device that releases the hammer late enough to ensure that the bolt is iin battery before the hammer hits the firing pin

 

[yahkohb]

It all comes down to why does someone want to know? 3/4 of the time they are thinking about doing it themselves, cause "I'll never get caught, right?"

do you have data to back up your 3/4 claim? do you have any evidence of someone asking about semi vs auto on the Internet, then going and doing a home conversion? do you have any evidence of someone asking about semi vs auto on the Internet, then turning out to be an ATF agent? I'm not saying these claims aren't true, I'm just asking you to substantiate them.

funny how when the antis make assumptions about the intent of gun owners, they're just naive, biased and uneducated. but when we gun owners make assumptions about the intent of other gun owners, we're somehow thoughtful, wise, and clever.

 

[Titanvk56]

I also agree that FA is over rated and is a waste of ammo....although the 3 rd burst would be kinda cool.

The way I see it is you either pay the $$$ and jump through all the hoops to be legal or just be satisfied with a SA AK.

With a SA AK you could always learn how to bump fire: http://www.gunsnet.net/Linx310/bump.htm
A lot of fun and legal but very inaccurate and a waste of ammo.

Here is a RSA bump video: http://www.redstararms.com/uploads/bumptime.wmv

 

[webuyhouses]

BUMP FIRING ILLEGAL?

http://www.atf.treas.gov/alcohol/info/revrule/rules/atfruling_2006-2.pdf

ATF has examined several firearms accessory devices that are designed and intended to accelerate the rate of fire for semiautomatic firearms.

a part or parts designed and intended to convert a weapon into a
machinegun, i.e., a weapon that will shoot automatically more than one shot, withoutmanual reloading, by a single function of the trigger,
is a machinegun under the NFA and
GCA.

Provided the shooter maintains finger pressure against the stock, the weapon will fire repeatedly until the ammunition is exhausted or the finger is removed. The assembled device is advertised to fire approximately 650 rounds per minute.

One such device consists of the
following components: two metal blocks; the first block replaces the original
manufacturer’s V-Block of a Ruger 10/22 rifle... read on at the link!

 

[texlurch]

That's why crank fire thingies are legal, they only fire once for each pull of the trigger.

That's the "operative words" in the BATFE statement.. as long as it only goes bang once, for each pull of the trigger, "OK"

Heck, they make a 6-lobe crank for my 1919, basically turns it into a legal Gatling gun...

 

[Titanvk56]

Bump fire is a technique...no additional parts added.

 

[redneckrepairs]

About every 6 months or so someone posts a bunch of material to alt.binarys.ebook.technical dealing with home made expsloves , home conversions to full auto ,silencer construction, military manuals , gunsmithing and other " anarchy " type books . Fire up the old newsgroup browser and check the headers frequently lol .

 

[LkWinnipesaukee]

is it illegal to know the difference??

Sounds like someone has been reading Unintended Consequences.

 

[Gord]

Grammar is important. It's not a fear that ATF agents are going to come arrest us for thought crimes, it's just that "what's the difference between..." implies an academic interest whereas "how do I..." implies that you might be stupid enough to actually try, in which case, after you sort things out with the SWAT team, you'd presumably also be stupid enough to nonchalantly mention that "them folks on xyz.com tole me how" - and nobody here (or anywhere else respectable) wants to see the site go bye-bye as part of an ongoing ATF investigation, etc, etc.

The ones asking about "how do I make my xyz full auto" are usually the same 14-year-olds asking about how to make grenades, how to make flamethrowers and where they can buy an Uzi. The advice is usually the same: go find out how to blow your appendages off somewhere else.

The contemporary wisdom is that if you have to ask on a public forum as opposed to finding out for yourself, it's generally going to be a losing proposition to tell you.

 

[webuyhouses]

ya see, if the information was easy to come buy, there would be no need to ask...

we arent going to learn anything when all you can say is
"sorry, cant get there from here"

"back the way you came, fella"

 

[chrisbob]

I found a sight awhile back that sells the parts and a book to explain. I still would not make the conversion myself. Pay the tax do it legal. I don't remember the exact url , but the company name is AA-OK INC. Ordering these items may (I don't know ) put your name on a list. Not worth the risk IMO!


P.S. It was over a Year ago I found this today this may not be true?

 

[Dain Bramage]

Middle position is FA, bottom is SA.

That gibes with a Vietnam War story I heard a while back. Seems our intel got the scoop on some VC colonel and set up a sweep to take him out.

A squad of GIs scoured the the indicated village, and one of them practically walked into the colonel while rounding a corner.

The colonel sweeps the GI with his AK, firing one shot which misses. The GI regains his composure and fires one round back with his shotgun. The colonel drops dead with a chest full of buckshot, leaving the GI a nice, fully functioning, souvenir AK.

The AK was relatively new and rare in Vietnam at that time, and the supposition was that the Colonel was not entirely familiar with it. He probably slapped the safety down all the way and, thinking he was in full-auto, was mightily surprised when only one shot rang out.

Which brings us to my opinion that the selector is set up in a stupid way on the AK. The time when you need FA is not the time to rely on fine motor skills.

 

[texlurch]

I imagine if all you wanted to know is how it worked, that is easily found info. Just search out a US Army AK-47 manual, something along those lines. There are numerous CD's out there floating around, or probably even the local library. "Library" is a place with "books", which are a lot like magazines but with hard covers (for you young interweb warriors out there! )

Now, if you are trying to find detailed schematics and drawings of the parts and receiver, that begs the question "why?".

So far as "how it works"..

The safety in the FA position stops the hammer from catching on the disconnector. This would allow it to just follow the bolt forward, were it not for a FA sear, which delays the hammer until the bolt is almost fully forward. As the bolt seats, it trips the FA sear, allowing the hammer to drop.
Most of your closed bolt FA weapons operate in the same basic manner.
The ones with a hammer retarder basically slow the hammer down, and reduce the rate of fire.

An open bolt style, has a fixed firing pin in the face of the bolt, and basically slam fire until you release the trigger. The trigger catches a notch in the bottom of the bolt when released.

Simple enuf?

 

[richardschennberg]

The reality is that full-auto weapons are readily available to criminals and terrorists, with no gun grace, at a price lower than a civilian would pay for a semi-auto. Bans and import restrictions always lead to black markets.
Richard
Schennberg.com