SDC
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I don't see that as a Vietnam-era AK, given the "0-30-1" selector markings; if it IS Chinese, it's almost certainly a newer Type 56.
Vietnamese AK-47 ?
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Shung
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actually, I know one thing for sure.
It was first exported in the UK in the mid 80's, and then imported to Switzerland.
I dont say it is a Vietnam era AK, but I was hoping so.
As for full auto shooting, it is legal to do so with a full auto gun owned leagally.. But it would cost you 100$ a day, as a tax.
Actually, people who owns full auto in Switzerland, do it for collection, and dont shoot them (unless they are very rich..)
You cannot shoot your full auto gun, even in SEMI, unless you ask and pay for the 100$ daily fee..
That is why this one is particulary interesting.
SEMI, with semi paper (which means "shootable") but virtually (not to say more) full capable.
I'll try to get pictures of it. I saw the gun today and had it in my hand, but didnt take any pictures (stupid move)
as for being jalous, I envy your CCW laws.. here, unless you are a professional, it's a total NO GO ! (btw, the price for this one Vietnamese is 1200 swiss francs.. not 600 ... but i'll try to make him (the seller) drop that price ..)
It was first exported in the UK in the mid 80's, and then imported to Switzerland.
I dont say it is a Vietnam era AK, but I was hoping so.
As for full auto shooting, it is legal to do so with a full auto gun owned leagally.. But it would cost you 100$ a day, as a tax.
Actually, people who owns full auto in Switzerland, do it for collection, and dont shoot them (unless they are very rich..)
You cannot shoot your full auto gun, even in SEMI, unless you ask and pay for the 100$ daily fee..
That is why this one is particulary interesting.
SEMI, with semi paper (which means "shootable") but virtually (not to say more) full capable.
I'll try to get pictures of it. I saw the gun today and had it in my hand, but didnt take any pictures (stupid move)
as for being jalous, I envy your CCW laws.. here, unless you are a professional, it's a total NO GO ! (btw, the price for this one Vietnamese is 1200 swiss francs.. not 600 ... but i'll try to make him (the seller) drop that price ..)
Gordon
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I did not see 0 30 1 on it and thats prolly NOT a Viet war era AK if it has that, although Vietnamese do NOT use Chinese numbers.
Z-Michigan
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How times change. Those aren't exactly over the counter items in the UK any more (not legally, anyway).
OK, now your gun laws are sounding as illogical and arbitrary as ours...
Shung
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yeah, you know, ANTIs arent smarter... nowhere...
Btw Gordon, what would have a Vietnam War era AK on the selector ? nothing ?
Btw Gordon, what would have a Vietnam War era AK on the selector ? nothing ?
SDC
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A 60's or 70's Chinese-manufactured Type 56 would have had (initially) two Chinese ideographs showing "full" and "semi", but this was later changed to "L" and "D"; on rifles built for open export, they used Roman numerals.
Shung
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allright..
so, your guess is that this is a chinese made, vietnamese AK47 type 56 with roman numbers ?
btw, on the one I have been told it was Korean, there were 2 chinese ideogrames for semi and full.. (but I dont know what language were those ideograms precisely..)
give me 5min and I will post a close up of these.
so, your guess is that this is a chinese made, vietnamese AK47 type 56 with roman numbers ?
btw, on the one I have been told it was Korean, there were 2 chinese ideogrames for semi and full.. (but I dont know what language were those ideograms precisely..)
give me 5min and I will post a close up of these.
Shung
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here is the close op for the supposed Korean AK :
http://i54.servimg.com/u/f54/11/94/71/06/akclos10.jpg
and btw, this is the close up of the vietnamese model
http://i54.servimg.com/u/f54/11/94/71/06/akclos11.jpg
http://i54.servimg.com/u/f54/11/94/71/06/akclos10.jpg
and btw, this is the close up of the vietnamese model
http://i54.servimg.com/u/f54/11/94/71/06/akclos11.jpg
SDC
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I can't really make out the markings well enough to be sure, but it COULD be Korean (which would make it a Type 58; the stamped-receiver Korean AKs are known as Type 68s). The real identifiers for either of these are on the other side of the receiver, where the factory IDs are stamped. A North Korean AK should be marked with a 5-pointed star in a circle, and a Chinese AK should be marked with one of several factory codes (26, 36, 66, 386, or 416), usually in a triangle. A Chinese milled-receiver Type 56 built for export would be known as an "M22".
Here's a scan of the usual selector markings, from Joe Poyer's "Kalashnikov Rifles" book.
Here's a scan of the usual selector markings, from Joe Poyer's "Kalashnikov Rifles" book.
Shung
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thank you very much. I will see those guns agains with your documents. it will certainly help.
Rifleman 173
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I never knew of the Vietnamese to mass manufacture their own AK-47 rifles as in a plant in North Viet Nam. There were SOME Vietnamese craftsmen who did make their own AK-47s by hand but those rifles were extremely rare and they looked like they were homemade. They were deadly, without a doubt, but they lacked quality and finesse. Most of the rifles that the Vietnamese got came from Russia or from China. I would say that, over all, most of the Vietnamese communists were armed with about 90% Chinese rifles with the Russian rifles being reserved for their better quality for special units or units still serving inside of North Viet Nam. To find a Russian AK-47 was a little rare but not completely unheard of in combat.
Shung, are you a member on the AK forum? the fella that is selling that gun (im assuming this because of the back ground) is also from switzerland and has several very prestine AK 47's and 74's for sale on there. ranging from 2-4k$
he mostly has Soviet AK's for sell on there. his board name is Markal iirc all are in mint condtion, non kit guns, all orginal. if he could sell them in the USA i would be he would make over 100k on them all.
he mostly has Soviet AK's for sell on there. his board name is Markal iirc all are in mint condtion, non kit guns, all orginal. if he could sell them in the USA i would be he would make over 100k on them all.
Shung
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yeah, I know him now. We met last week, and I saw his guns. A cool guy !
he's got some nice AK's, that is for sure. I whish I had money for them all.
I registered the AK forum a couple of days ago.
he's got some nice AK's, that is for sure. I whish I had money for them all.
I registered the AK forum a couple of days ago.
Prince Yamato
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Shung, as a lover of all things AK, let me say I now hate you for being able to own the guns I want to own but cannot due to US Law.
Get the Korean gun. Fixed stocks are more accurate.
Get the Korean gun. Fixed stocks are more accurate.
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i would buy it
i believe that the weapons were supplied to the nv by pretty much any country that was in favor of them being communist china,the soviet union
i actually have a cousin in switzerland that was the u.n. advisor to vietnam during the war kind of ironically while my dad was fighting
howa re the elections going to rewrite the constitution over there? 2 members of my family are running to be on the commite or what ever its called
i believe that the weapons were supplied to the nv by pretty much any country that was in favor of them being communist china,the soviet union
i actually have a cousin in switzerland that was the u.n. advisor to vietnam during the war kind of ironically while my dad was fighting
howa re the elections going to rewrite the constitution over there? 2 members of my family are running to be on the commite or what ever its called
col_tapiocca
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@Shung
I'm from Switzerland too.
Please remember Swiss gun law:
You can legally owning any to Semiauto "castrated" AK. But you can't buy or sell it after 1999 (new gun law)
If it's a semi auto from the factory theire are no problems.
But if not it maybe cause problems to you....
Don't misunderstand me just keep it in mind.
I'm from Switzerland too.
Please remember Swiss gun law:
You can legally owning any to Semiauto "castrated" AK. But you can't buy or sell it after 1999 (new gun law)
If it's a semi auto from the factory theire are no problems.
But if not it maybe cause problems to you....
Don't misunderstand me just keep it in mind.
Shung
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Don't worry Tapiocca. Everything will be fine, and legal. I wouldnt do anything illegal and talk about it on forums - btw, where are you from Tapiocca ?
Yamato.. both Ak's (Korean and Chinese) have the fixed wood stock.. it's the picture that is taken differently.
the vietnamese have lighter woods (I prefer Korean dark wood) but the Korean has the black finish less perfect..
So its a hard choice.
- btw, where are you from Tapiocca ?Yamato.. both Ak's (Korean and Chinese) have the fixed wood stock.. it's the picture that is taken differently.
the vietnamese have lighter woods (I prefer Korean dark wood) but the Korean has the black finish less perfect..
So its a hard choice.
Shung
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it's nothing about election.. but to make it simple a new gun law will appear in november this year.. our political try to restrain our gun rights, mainly due to our Shengen treaty with the EU (which we are not part of, and DONT want to be) .. But we will fight to keep our rights.
Shung
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here we are. Thx to Mark-al who sold me this magnificent piece of gun, it was nice to talk with him today. We discovered that beside guns we had other interests in common.
Anyway To thank everybody in here trying to help me in dating and discovering the origins of this gun, here is for you a serie of pictures made today.
details of markings only in PMs
Anyway To thank everybody in here trying to help me in dating and discovering the origins of this gun, here is for you a serie of pictures made today.
details of markings only in PMs
SDC
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Very nice, Shung; I'd be interested in seeing a clear photo of the factory marking on the left side; I haven't heard of the Vietnamese making their own small arms, but this could be indisputable proof.
Shung
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I can do that in PM.
after searching a bit, it could be a Tula production (russian) because of the 5 edged stard, but also from poland, because of the || inside of the star.. I dont know much more. The Korean one, bought by my friend, is from Tula.
after searching a bit, it could be a Tula production (russian) because of the 5 edged stard, but also from poland, because of the || inside of the star.. I dont know much more. The Korean one, bought by my friend, is from Tula.
DaveInFloweryBranchGA
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Shung,
I owned a Chinese Made Polytech AK-47 and both those guns show many of the classic markings of a Chinese made milled receiver AK-47. They may have been exported to Vietnam and Korea, but it appears like those two rifles were made in China. The pistol grip is checkered the exact same, the wood looks like stained Chiu wood and various other things that exactly match my old AK-47S Polytech. I wish I still had it, I'd post pictures so you can compare how much they match.
Regards,
Dave
I owned a Chinese Made Polytech AK-47 and both those guns show many of the classic markings of a Chinese made milled receiver AK-47. They may have been exported to Vietnam and Korea, but it appears like those two rifles were made in China. The pistol grip is checkered the exact same, the wood looks like stained Chiu wood and various other things that exactly match my old AK-47S Polytech. I wish I still had it, I'd post pictures so you can compare how much they match.
Regards,
Dave
Gordon
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Unless the Vietnamese set up AK factories after we left. The wood , which does look like stained Chiu wood (which Vietnam has in abundance) looks no more than 25 years old, if that. Olderr wood starts to show different composition and texture no matter how it's stored unless it's refinished.
Shung
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seems to be.. actually
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