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AK 47 versus MINI 14

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by gunmaker2872, Dec 27, 2008.

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  1. gunmaker2872

    gunmaker2872 Member

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    which one is better?
     
  2. atlanticfire

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    I'll keep my AK, thank you very much. That is if you get the right AK;)
     
  3. bensdad

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    This contest is so unfair. My kid's football team (he's 6) doesn't have to play against the Chargers. The Mini 14 should not have to be compared to the AK.

    One is a battle-tested rifle with hundreds of millions in cirulation... all of which still function. It is a rifle that has been adopted by God knows how many armies. It works in any environment, regardless of condition (old, filthy, parts broken, etc.), no matter what. It shoots MOBG all day every day from now until forever Amen. It is the most widely recognized platform on this earth. It is the one firearm that JMB wishes he had thought of first.

    The other is the bastard love-child of army wanna-be and gopher poison. It's only true role in this world is to give people who have too many guns something to complain about.
     
  4. Sam1911

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    Now where is that "Which repeat, hashed-out, tired, beat-to-death, exhausted, AND REDUNDANT old post makes you groan when you see it AGAIN, AGAIN" thread when I need it? :p

    Seriously.

    Both classic guns. Both well deserving of a place in the great guns hall of fame. One has a track record pretty much unmatched in the history of arms and the other is a neat little plinker.

    Better for what? For an average shooter doing average things with average, every day sorts of needs, the Mini-14 might have a slight ergonomic edge over the somewhat clunkier AK. If your needs are different, the answer is different. What's the question, specifically?

    -Sam

    P.S. - You know, I think the M1895 Nagant is much better than the 1915 CSRG Chauchat, too.
     
  5. gunmaker2872

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    I guess my question is what rifle holds a better resale value, a stainless 2004 mini 14 or a romanian ak,, that and i just wanted to here some pro's and con's of both rifles.
     
  6. notorious

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    Depends on where you are, the AK has ZERO resale value because you can't transfer it without neutering it in accordance with the Kommiefornia Politburo's rulings on private comrade ownership of firearms.

    The Mini is a good handy ranch rifle, which is why they call it that. The AK you have is a semi-auto copy of a world famous assault rifle. What do you want it to do?

    I prefer my AR to my Mini-30 but only because of superior ergonomics but the AK was not known as the best utilitarian tool either.
     
  7. Lone_Gunman

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    AK's are great if you want an ugly rifle that will shoot 12" groups. They never jam though, and they make a nice loud bang. Lots of folks don't really care if they hit what they are shooting at. You will need to scare the enemy to death with the evil appearance of your rifle and the loud bang though, because you probably wont hit him past 100 yds.

    Mini 14's are about the same.

    I would probably pick a Mini over a random AK, because you just don't know what you are always getting with an AK. Contrary to what is said on the internet, AKs are not always 100 percent reliable.
     
  8. flyboy1788

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    even if the bolt is broke?? even if the fire control group breaks??? wow, i gotta get me one of these:p I knew AKs were rugged and reliable, but I didnt know they were never affected by parts breakage:D sorry, I had to do this, it was too much to resist:evil:
     
  9. benEzra

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    Ummm...no.

    http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=414619&page=3

    Some photos from that thread:

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    All 100-yard groups from prone or rests.

    The AK is not a 1-MOA rifle, but it's not a 12-MOA rifle either. Most will do 4 MOA or better if you shoot it like you actually expect it to shoot well.

    For several years, I owned a Romanian AK (SAR-1) and a 188-series Mini-14 Ranch Rifle. I eventually sold the mini and kept the AK.
     
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    I have no doubt that some AK's can do considerably better than 12 inch groups. But I have no faith that the average WASR can. I have a VEPR-K that can probably do 4-6 inch groups at 100 yds with standard iron sights. Showing me small groups shot by modified rifles with optical scopes doesn't really count for much, since most AKs are not shot that way.
     
  11. benEzra

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    My own AK is a Romanian (SAR-1, predecessor of the WASR) with a 1x collimator sight (Kobra). It will do around 4" at 100 yards, which is better than my mini-14 would do. And putting an AK optic on the built-in optics siderail does not constitute a modified rifle, IMO; it just makes it easier to see where you're aiming.

    The AK is not a 12-MOA rifle, by any means, although it will shoot 12 MOA if you shoot it like that's all it will do.
     
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    that couldn't be a more open ended question? better at what?

    i will take the ak, why? the ability to shoot steel cased ammo, can you do it in a mini? sure but american guns run best with brass cased ammo generally. also the price of mags, and thier avaliability with the ak is much better than the mini. plus the ak is cheaper.
     
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    modified rifle...... That is about as funny as a 3 band Enfield with a red dot and a flash hider. Kobra's and PSO's are far from "MODIFIED" I hit standard pop ups at 300 with my AK's no problem here
     
  14. gunmaker2872

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    Let me rephrase, Would you trade your stainless mini for an ak 47?
     
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    ak's get the bad accuracy reputation because this represents 80 percent of the people who shoot them today (not including americans)...
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    in reality, they have all the accuracy they need to do the job they were meant to do
     
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    That guy's fly is unzipped.
     
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    he probably has a mag loader in there

    probably a tapco too
     
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    ^^^^
    ROFLMFAO!




    In response to the OPs question:

    I'll take the AK. It's just a better rifle. As stated, it has proven itself the world over. Bettle tested, and very good at what it does.

    The Mini-14 is more akin to a farmers truck gun.
     
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    UH no, $%^$ no! God no!
     
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    My mini-14 has always been reliable for me, in the snow and dirt. I've even had the bolt stick on it and I had to do the traditional AK fix of bashing open with my boot, but it still fired immediately after that. Its a reliable weapon for me, not very accurate but dependable.
     
  21. Travis Bickle

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    I'd rather have the Mini, as it's produced by a reputable American company that is well known for excellent customer service and stands behind its products (although you'll probably never even need Ruger to stand behind any of its products, since Rugers are typically built tough as tanks.)

    Just about the only advantage I see in going with the AK is that it has the AK cachet going for it and will probably scare and/or impress certain people more. OTOH, I suppose you can probably pimp your Mini with a pistol grip stock and other aftermarket stuff and make it almost as menacing-looking as the AK.

    I'd say that ruggedness and reliability are a tie. The AK and Mini are both renowned for being very rugged and reliable.

    Accuracy is also a tie. As another poster noted, they're both accurate enough for what they were designed for, which is gut-shooting people and varmints at 100 yards or less.
     
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  22. Travis Bickle

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    And the Garand isn't? A Mini-14 is basically just a Garand chambered for .223, you know.
     
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    How about self-defense in a (un)civilian setting, in contrast to offensive?
    Not in Monrovia, Liberia, the Afghan hills, but a US city or suburb/'ruburb'.

    Other than on farm land, do self-defense scenarios happen at much further than 20-40 yards?
    Never having been in a riot or natural disaster aftermath, using 'self-defense' and '50' or '100 yards' in the same sentence (other than in a combat zone) sometimes baffles me.
    I'm probably mistaken, but my impressions are that bad guys try to get close to victims before they reveal a weapon, take a shot etc.
     
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    Remember, when the S really HTF, then there WILL be cases of large groups of baddies pouring fire through your home at 300 or so M.

    Even 1000 M, with baddies with .50s
     
  25. rhinoh

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    "Let me rephrase, Would you trade your stainless mini for an ak 47?"

    Uh no..but then when I bought my first stainless mini it costs TWICE what an AK did...

    BTW I have an AK, an AR and both .223 and 7.62 Minis...each is optimal for different things...although I'm having a little trouble figuring out what the minis are best at:neener:

    If I could only have ONE? Hmmm...that would be a tough decision:cool: probably would have to go with the AR
     
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