Destructo6
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Didn't notice that, but did notice that the VCs had their safeties on while suppossedly shooting at incoming UH1s. Gotta love incompetent propaganda.
AK-47 vs M16 on Discovery channel show
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Rob96
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This is very true. it has been said that the 7.62x39 fmj is a more humane, if that can be said, round than 5.56 M193. Whe going thru flesh the 7.26x39 zips thru and thru, 5.56 on the other hand, fragments and cause a lot of tissue damage.
Hutch
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Yeah, I caught that top cover coming loose on the shooter. I wonder how close he was to eating the bolt?
It was fairly entertaining, as someone else noted, to see both of 'em firing full auto on super slo-mo. There was a little vibration on the M16, but the AK looked like it was a helicopter (A collection of parts, flying in close formation). No wonder I couldn't hit anything with it on the rental range at Knob Creek. I thought it was my own lack of experience with F/A fire. I like having an excuse....
It was fairly entertaining, as someone else noted, to see both of 'em firing full auto on super slo-mo. There was a little vibration on the M16, but the AK looked like it was a helicopter (A collection of parts, flying in close formation). No wonder I couldn't hit anything with it on the rental range at Knob Creek. I thought it was my own lack of experience with F/A fire. I like having an excuse....
I thought the program was well done and interesting. Off hand shooting at 200 yrds. demonstrated better accuracy in favor the M 16, better accuracy in full auto and pointed out AK 47's advantage when dirty. What's new?
Catch the program if you have a chance. It will surely be repeated many times.
Catch the program if you have a chance. It will surely be repeated many times.
Full of glaring innacuracies. However a few cool things:
Slow mo photography shows the AK cleaning rod flopping all over.. never would have thought that was a problem.
Russian engineer saying "yes the M-16 is a rifle, our rifle is also a Club".
Kalashnikov saying "My designs are simple and reliable, that is the artistry."
The reinactment where the VC shoots the guy through the tree.
Horrid moments:
think the guy shooting the AK had never handled a rifle the way he was yanking that trigger. (That or it was intentional).
faster bullets are more accurate!Well, only if you mean a higher velocity round that wieghs less has less drop at the same range, however its also affected by drift.
"Only bad illiterate conscript thrid world scumbags use the AK." photo montage at the end.
Slow mo photography shows the AK cleaning rod flopping all over.. never would have thought that was a problem.
Russian engineer saying "yes the M-16 is a rifle, our rifle is also a Club".
Kalashnikov saying "My designs are simple and reliable, that is the artistry."
The reinactment where the VC shoots the guy through the tree.
Horrid moments:
think the guy shooting the AK had never handled a rifle the way he was yanking that trigger. (That or it was intentional).
faster bullets are more accurate!Well, only if you mean a higher velocity round that wieghs less has less drop at the same range, however its also affected by drift.
"Only bad illiterate conscript thrid world scumbags use the AK." photo montage at the end.
Mike Irwin
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"well, that's sorta true. faster rounds shoot flatter, and have less holdover at extended ranges, meaning their point blank is farther away, which means it's easier to hit something just by aiming at it."
But that's not accuracy, Andrew.
You can certainly hit your target more easily because you have a much greater point-blank-range, but that says NOTHING about the rifle's or the round's inherent accuracy potential.
If faster were TRULY more accurate, the .220 Swift would be the most accuract rifle round ever produced, the .45-70 would be one of the least accurate.
Yet both are capable of turning in groups well under 1".
But that's not accuracy, Andrew.
You can certainly hit your target more easily because you have a much greater point-blank-range, but that says NOTHING about the rifle's or the round's inherent accuracy potential.
If faster were TRULY more accurate, the .220 Swift would be the most accuract rifle round ever produced, the .45-70 would be one of the least accurate.
Yet both are capable of turning in groups well under 1".
Came across this the other day. Since its kinda on topic. Thought some guys here might find this interesting.
http://www.isayeret.com/weapons/assault/m16vsak47.htm
http://www.isayeret.com/weapons/assault/m16vsak47.htm
Re: the speed and accuracy thing.
It's just semantics, higher velocity translate to higher HIT PROBABILITY. This is not the same as accuracy, but since the program was meant for general audiences they probably didn't want to get too technical.
I think we're being too hard on the show, I mean how often do you get to see AK versus M-16 on TV? It was "docutainment" afterall, not a Congressional report. It got the main facts right, showed me somethings I didn't know, entertained me. I'm a happy camper
It's just semantics, higher velocity translate to higher HIT PROBABILITY. This is not the same as accuracy, but since the program was meant for general audiences they probably didn't want to get too technical.
I think we're being too hard on the show, I mean how often do you get to see AK versus M-16 on TV? It was "docutainment" afterall, not a Congressional report. It got the main facts right, showed me somethings I didn't know, entertained me. I'm a happy camper
Abominable No-Man
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ACT VII
Abominable No-Man enters, stage right, sees Mike Irwin, Dr. Rob, Tamara, and everyone else talking. ANM starts toward the group, only then realizing it's another AKvs.AR discussion. ANM snickers, then exits stage left.
On his way out, he calls out:
"Where is the 9mm vs. 45 discussion?"
ANM
Seriously guys, aren't there enough of these around?
Abominable No-Man enters, stage right, sees Mike Irwin, Dr. Rob, Tamara, and everyone else talking. ANM starts toward the group, only then realizing it's another AKvs.AR discussion. ANM snickers, then exits stage left.
On his way out, he calls out:
"Where is the 9mm vs. 45 discussion?"
ANM
Seriously guys, aren't there enough of these around?
Mike Irwin
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"I think we're being too hard on the show, I mean how often do you get to see AK versus M-16 on TV?"
Well, with all due respect, that makes one of you, Gabe.
And I didn't see a show on the M-16 vs the AK-47.
I saw a show on bull
vs. crapola.
Well, with all due respect, that makes one of you, Gabe.
And I didn't see a show on the M-16 vs the AK-47.
I saw a show on bull
vs. crapola.RustyHammer
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Got that right ...
and, it sure beats the heck out of "The 5 guy guys and the straight guy who's afraid to drop the soap" ... whatever it's really called.
Rusty
Yeah, Nightcrawler, did you catch the part that said that [paraphrasing] "The AR is more accurate because the bullet's velocity is higher. A faster bullet is always more accurate". Huh? Learned me sumpin' new. 
Edit: Oops, I see this has been discussed. Gotta start readin all the posts first...
Edit: Oops, I see this has been discussed. Gotta start readin all the posts first...
Nightcrawler
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Yeah, I know. That's why, you know, you can't hit the broad side of a barn with a .45ACP. 
Feanaro
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Anything on TeeBee should be distrusted from the start, anything said about firearms doublely so.
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