Quantcast
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

AK decision/ which one and why?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Miss Debbie, Jul 10, 2009.

?

Which one is a better deal

  1. Arsenal all the way

    26 vote(s)
    44.1%
  2. WSAR AK cheaper

    33 vote(s)
    55.9%
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Miss Debbie

    Miss Debbie Member

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2007
    Messages:
    115
    Hi there I had a Saiga rifle that I had converted, but a while ago it was stolen and wanted to get another AK style rifle. I have found a couple locally and online, I just wanted to get input on these two.
    First one is Arsenal 107F there is one locally at a gunshop they want 850.00
    Next one is a henderson defense certified WSAR for 490.00. Is the Arsenal really worth the extra money?
     
  2. John Parker

    John Parker Member

    Joined:
    May 14, 2009
    Messages:
    679
    They are VERY nice, but there's not much they will do that a WASR won't.
     
  3. nalioth

    nalioth Member

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2007
    Messages:
    5,841
    Location:
    Houston, Texas
    Why not get another Saiga? They're priced below $400 again, and the price continues to drop.

    Then you'll have a "Miss Debbie Certified Saiga" :D
     
  4. possum

    possum Member

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2005
    Messages:
    8,942
    Location:
    Concord, N.C.
    get a wasr you will be good to go, they run that is for sure. and if you want to get it tricked out, send it to Rifle Dynamics, they are the jedi masters of ak's. you won't even notice your ak when you get it back.
     
  5. briansmithwins

    briansmithwins Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2005
    Messages:
    4,132
    With the Arsenal the rifle is just fine out of the box. Built from new parts by factory trained techs it's about as close to a issue AK as you can get in the US.

    That said, Henderson makes good guns.

    What's the fit and finish of the Arsenal worth to you? BSW
     
  6. mr.scott

    mr.scott Member

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2008
    Messages:
    353
    I'm quite impressed with my GP 1975. It was only $500 but worlds better than a WASR. The only down side is it doesn't have a side mount for a scope, but there are other options available.
     
  7. THE DARK KNIGHT

    THE DARK KNIGHT Member

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2009
    Messages:
    1,550
    Location:
    NJ
    Get a Saiga rifle and convert it. The craftsmanship on them is fantastic.
     
  8. nalioth

    nalioth Member

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2007
    Messages:
    5,841
    Location:
    Houston, Texas
    Riiiiiiight. Spend $490 on a WASR that's already been professionally tuned ,and then send it out for another $350 worth of tuning.

    Besides that, WASRs are made from factory seconds (and lately from used military guns).

    Ever hear of polishing a t*rd?

    They make good guns, but they don't make WASRs. Their "certified WASRs" are taken from the box, checked for the usual culprits and if any are found, corrected. If none are found, you just paid extra for a "hands-on inspection".
     
    Last edited: Jul 11, 2009
  9. H2O MAN

    H2O MAN member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2007
    Messages:
    2,438
    Location:
    USA
    +1

    Why not get another Saiga?
     
  10. heron

    heron Member

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2007
    Messages:
    1,062
    Location:
    NE Ohio
    Get another Saiga.
     
  11. FMJMIKE

    FMJMIKE Member

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2007
    Messages:
    1,577
    Location:
    Copper Hill, Virginia
    Get another Saiga..............You the Man!!!
    :D
     
  12. Pack

    Pack Member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2009
    Messages:
    198
    Location:
    Elgin, SC
    I have an Arsenal SAM-7 (bought during the ban) and an Arsenal RPK-7, both with milled receivers. It's what attracted me to the guns in the first place - they're very well made, and just plain different.

    These are my frist and only variants of the AK pattern rifle, so I can't make an educated comparison. I just know that I love them dearly. But, I'm the kind of guy that just likes stuff that's totally "overbuilt" - I'm happy to have a smaller number of what I think are nicer/better examples, even if there is no measurable benefit to the difference/premium.

    I think that my arsenals produce better accuracy, on average, than other AK types. As for durability and dependability, though - those traits are the raison d'etre for the Kalashnikov in the first place! I'd have a very hard time believing that the Russians, of all people, made the decision to go from milled back to stamped - in peacetime, too - if it would adversely affect how the guns would hold up.
     
  13. wareaglepilot

    wareaglepilot Member

    Joined:
    Sep 10, 2009
    Messages:
    1
    Henderson Defense Russian Red WASR GTG....Far better than anything i ever expected. You will not be disappointed.
     
  14. ndh87

    ndh87 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2005
    Messages:
    710
    Location:
    Virginia
    For 850 save your pennies and get a piston AR. The WASRs are hit or miss. the one i had was a miss... Now i have the piston AR...couldnt be happier
     
  15. DMK

    DMK Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    8,797
    Location:
    Over the hills and far, far away
    You could always do like I did. Buy a cheap Romanian (SAR1 in my case) they buy & try every piece of wood furniture, plastic furniture, fixed stock, folding stock, pistol grip, scope mount, recoil buffer, sight upgrade, trigger upgrade and muzzle device on the market. Then finally decide that you liked the AK best in its classic form so you have a $300 rifle, with bin full of $1000 worth of unused accessories and parts in your closet. :eek:
     
  16. Delaware_Dan

    Delaware_Dan Member

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2008
    Messages:
    124
    Another vote for another saiga
     
  17. RatDrall

    RatDrall Member

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2009
    Messages:
    796
    Definately get another Saiga.

    Those WASR guns seem to be assembled hastily. I've seen a lot that were very poorly assembled, with spotty finish and loose magwells.

    You can get a Bulgarian SSR85 from centerfiresystems.com for 600 shipped.
     
  18. nalioth

    nalioth Member

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2007
    Messages:
    5,841
    Location:
    Houston, Texas
    Which are the same as the WASR, only spawned in Bulgaria.

    They're both made from recycled military guns. They're both "cobbled together" (the SSR-85 line is actually a milled rifle assembled into a stamped receiver).

    IMHO, they're both 'bottom of the barrel'.
     
  19. RatDrall

    RatDrall Member

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2009
    Messages:
    796
    After handling both, I'm confused.

    The SSR85 is a Bulgarian reciever,with a Bulgarian barrel, and mostly Bulgarian parts.

    The WASR10 looked like an American reciever, made as quickly as possible on what must have been aweful machinery, with an American barrel (not chrome lined), an extremely loose magwell, and it appeared to have been assembled by a 12 year old at 3am, in the dark (judging by the spotty finish, canted FSB, and rough working).

    The SSR85 (that I handled) was assembled properly, had a uniform finish, with a chrome lined barrel and real comblock reciever.

    I would rather have a pair of WASR10s than one Arsenal rifle, but the Bulgarian looks like a decent compromise, especially for just $100 more.
     
  20. nalioth

    nalioth Member

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2007
    Messages:
    5,841
    Location:
    Houston, Texas
    WASRs are entirely made in Romania.

    They are imported here, have some mods done by Century to comply with the 922r and sold to the public.

    Century sells so many AK variants, you may be confusing one of their other models (with a US made barrel and receiver) for a WASR.
     
  21. mp5a3

    mp5a3 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2009
    Messages:
    366
    If I'm not mistaken my WASR 10/63 has a chrome lined barrel. It also eats hollow and soft points without issue. It's my understanding the 10/63 series are MUCH better than the older WASR 10
     
  22. nalioth

    nalioth Member

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2007
    Messages:
    5,841
    Location:
    Houston, Texas
    They are the same gun.

    The only difference is that the 10/63 has a bayonet lug and threaded barrel.
     
  23. Maverick223

    Maverick223 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2008
    Messages:
    11,269
    Location:
    28078
    Between the two get the cheaper WASR...but I would either get a Saiga and convert (better rifle slightly cheaper), or if you want to spend a little more get a VZ-58 which is much nicer than the AK but retains its appearance and cartridge. :)
     
  24. Isher

    Isher Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2008
    Messages:
    600
    +mucho on VZ 58.

    You get what you pay for...........

    isher
     
  25. stevehps

    stevehps member

    Joined:
    Sep 10, 2009
    Messages:
    23
    i have 3 wasr rifles and been happy with all

    all of my wasr rifles shoot just as well,if not better than my dads norinco,and his arsenals,alot of people badmouth the wasr,but they tend to consider the price difference as the quality judgement.yes some people have bought wasr and it have problems.but some people have bought a new mercedes and have problems too.so as with all things occasionally you get a lemon,but manufacturers of guns will fix for free,or replace

    quote:
    The WASR10 looked like an American reciever, made as quickly as possible on what must have been aweful machinery, with an American barrel (not chrome lined), an extremely loose magwell, and it appeared to have been assembled by a 12 year old at 3am, in the dark (judging by the spotty finish, canted FSB, and rough working).

    wrong,i have no issues with mine,and it has a chrome lined barrel
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page