(AK) drunken villager with shotgun threatens unarmed Village safety officer

[jimpeel]

Slimjim

The 20-gauge shotgun was found with 12-gauge ammunition jammed in it, they said.

I found that interesting, if not impossible.

I learned the dangers of mixing shotgun ammolong ago. A smaller gauge shell, when dropped into the chamber of a larger bore shotggun will drop through the chamber and home in the barrel. You may then place the correct size shotshell into the chamber behind it. If the firearm is discharged in this condition, you are at risk of life and limb, if not your sight, as the shotgun explodes in your hands.

This is a common danger with shotguns and is one of the first lessons every shotgunner learns.

 

[Cosmoline]

I take offense to that. We give out tickets because you broke the law. If you don't want to fund local goverment this way stop breaking the law its simple. And I would hate to live in a world where people were allowed to solve their own legal matters. Thats called anarchy. In such a world only the strong not the rightious survive. Judging from your post I have to ask do you live in Big Lake or North Pole? The reason I ask is I have met several people from those areas with simular views.

Actually I live in Willow but it's close enough to Big Lake. I wonder what difference it would actually make if there were no troopers in the Mat-Su. Personally it would make no difference to me or my neighbors. We're off grid, and to my knowledge no trooper would even be able to find us even if someone could get through to 911. But besides that why on Earth would we want them back there? They'd just start arresting people and sticking their noses into other folks' business. No good could possibly come of it.

But we actually do really well with no police. There is very little crime, and I've often left my compound for days at a time with no security in place. So who needs them? If that's anarchy I kind of like it.

 

[355sigfan]

So you live in one of the largest indoor marijuana producing areas of the world and your saying there is no crime.
Pat

 

[spacemanspiff]

i have family that lives in a village off kodiak, and they have never hired a local person to be VPSO. they run them off whenever a new one shows up. right now, i dont think they have one (ouzinkie is the name of the village).

troopers rarely will show up for anything, they say they will, but then dont.

village residents also dont look at 'crimes' the way us cityfolk do. there is a lot of family 'clans' that have rivalrys and if crap happens between them, it either isnt reported or not acted upon. mob mentality is the rule. if you dont have enough with you to ensure your side will win, nothing will happen, at that particular time.

domestic violence is given a fair pass, the women wont complain about it, and the men look the other way, even when it happens to their family members. spousal abuse is the norm.

rape is a little different, but not much. statutory rape gets more attention that plain ol rape. young girls are actually proud of getting an older guy to sleep with them. they brag about it until someone in their family gets upset over it and goes to beat the crap out of the old pervert.
however, since it is often linked to the heavy use of alcohol, the rapist often doesnt remember it happening.

there is a strict policy of 'dont ask dont tell'.

 

[Cosmoline]

So you live in one of the largest indoor marijuana producing areas of the world and your saying there is no crime.

I'm saying what happens there is nobody's business

 

[355sigfan]

I'm saying what happens there is nobody's business
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Well if they are living in the State breaking they law its all of our buisness. If they don't like it they can buy their own island outside of the USA and make their own laws. Until then what they do with regards to the law is my buisness and everyones in the state.
Pat

 

[Cosmoline]

But I *did* buy my own island! It's the Cosmo Compound. There are rules at the compound, but no laws.

 

[355sigfan]

But I *did* buy my own island! It's the Cosmo Compound. There are rules at the compound, but no laws.

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Ok ya got me. That was funny. I thought you might be serious. I have met plenty of folks who were.
Pat

 

[Cosmoline]

Truth be told my real gripe is with the SIZE of traffic tickets. $100 for plates that expired a month ago? $150 for having your front bumper torn off by a snow berm that was the city's own fricking fault? Raising revenues via citations is getting out of hand, and I'm sure the LEO's don't like it any more than I do.

 

[gunsmith]

marijuana should be legal anyway

Marijuana is a stupid drug and the addicts who smoke
it are often made quite stupid as a result.
If they choose to stay home and be stupid then thats their own
problem and big brother should stay the heck out of the lives
of the stupid pot heads.
If they drive and crash into something then they should be charged,
Just like that other stupid addicts fave, alcohol.

The fines levied by the state are getting to be too huge.
i.e 275$ for parking in a bus zone (even if the bus doesn't run on the day you park)

An 18 year old girl new to San Francisco got her car towed
at 12 midnight while she was watching a movie at the metreon movie theatre,the nazi dept of parking tows cars at midnight because at rush
hour there is not enough room.
The poor girl from a small Oregon town trusted the vagrant who told her her car was "around the corner"... she was raped and robbed !
Plus she had to pay the dang fine and pay to get her car back!
SF policy ( ) her and ( ) her!

Excessive bail shall not be required,nor excessive fines imposed,nor cruel and unusual punishment inflictedI wish "we the people" had an amendment like that we could count on!
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/news/012204ap_nw_dpt_bust.html
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/01/12/BAGHC485O51.DTL

 

[355sigfan]

The poor girl from a small Oregon town trusted the vagrant who told her her car was "around the corner"... she was raped and robbed !
Plus she had to pay the dang fine and pay to get her car back!
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This is the parking polices fault how?

You can't blame the actions of a sexual predator on a local meter maid sorry. I aint buying it.
Pat

 

[Kodiak AK]

Ouzinkie eh?I have been there a few times when I worked for Pen Air .
Karluk has a much worse rep than Ouzinkie.

 

[gunsmith]

sig fan

it's not the cops fault,he was just implementing SF policy.
SF policy is wrong,greedy etc.
Also the parking nazi's here are just wanna be cops
who couldn't get on the PD because they would never pass the psych test.
They are to anal retentive.
The Deputy Director just got busted for crack,his asst just got busted for corruption. If you obey the parking law here in Frisco you get a ticket anyway,they know most folks won't fight it because of all the red tape.
The tow company has been busted for stealing cars...

And why can't the local meter maid just give the obvious movie goer a break????

My Brother is a cop in NY and he gives breaks all the time to nurses,emt's
other cops and citizens who are not being jerks. ie the car with out of state plates thats not in anybodys way wont get a ticket/towed
untill it is in some ones way.

Cops do not have to help the local bureaucrat buy their crack!
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/news/012204ap_nw_dpt_bust.html

 

[BluesBear]

So please explain to all of us how a personal vendetta against San Franscisco parking enforcement is gun related?

I feel this is a reasonable request since we are the ones who have to sift through this waste of bandwidth.

 

[7.62FullMetalJacket]

BB. Back in the old west there was a lot of travel between Alaska and San Francisco

 

[BluesBear]

Yeah I know, I live one block off of Highway 99 which is the old wagon road that they traveled on.

 

[gunsmith]

bluesBear

it's not just a vendetta against SF parking nazis but all parking nazis
in the free world

and it was "thread related" so it is as gun related as this thread is

Also you did not define "is"

 

[jimpeel]

I still wanna know how he got that 12 ga shell in a 20 ga shotgun!

 

[Kodiak AK]

I'll take a stab that it had something to do with that first sentance.

Last week in Kotlik, a drunken man pointed a 20-gauge shotgun at 40-year-old Rudy Hootch and threatened to kill him, Alaska State Troopers said.

 

[jimpeel]

I'm talking physics, not chemistry. I don't care how drunk you are the chamber of a shotgun, two full sizes smaller than the shell being inserted, will not accomodate that shell. We are talking about having to compress a plastic tube, filled with lead pellets and plastic wadding, LINEARLY about its periphery. Then the same thing would have to be done with the brass base. We are talking compression of about .1".

The only way one could get a 12ga shell into a 20ga shotgun is if the shell was exactly that -- a shell, or "hull" in firearms parlance. That still leaves the brass base to be hammered in with -- well -- a hammer.

 

[BluesBear]

The 20-gauge shotgun was found with 12-gauge ammunition jammed in it, they said.

Who said anything about the chamber being involved?

Quite possibly it was a 12 gauge round stuck in either the magazine loading port or in the ejection port. Which if you'll check most 20 gauge pump or semi-auto shotguns would be very easy to do.
Getting a loaded 12 gauge shell lodged would is simple (gross motor skill), removing it would be more difficult (fine motor skill).

 

[TimRB]

Another possibility is that this is another case of a clueless reporter who got things backwards. It is, of course, quite easy to drop a 20GA shell into a 12GA shotgun.

Tim

 

[jimpeel]

TimRB

Another possibility is that this is another case of a clueless reporter who got things backwards. It is, of course, quite easy to drop a 20GA shell into a 12GA shotgun.

BINGO!