(AK) Pastor who justifiably shot and killed two, sued by family of one of the victims

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Victim's mother sues pastor who shot him
BIG LAKE: Mielke knew he wasn't threatened by burglars, lawyer says.
By ZAZ HOLLANDER
Anchorage Daily News
Published: April 15th, 2005
Last Modified: April 15th, 2005 at 04:47 AM

The Rev. Phillip Mielke shot Chris Palmer and Frank Jones outside the Big Lake Community Chapel two years ago as the pair burglarized a food bank in the church basement.

Palmer, a 31-year-old father of three boys who battled drug and alcohol addiction, died in a ditch near the church.

Jones, a 23-year-old with a checkered past, bled to death on a friend's mattress several hours later.

A jury later in 2003 found Mielke not guilty of manslaughter and criminally negligent homicide.

Now Jones' mother wants to bring the 46-year-old Mielke back to court to face a wrongful death lawsuit her attorney filed in Palmer Superior Court.

The lawsuit, filed Wednesday on behalf of Nevada resident Bonnie Pigott, charges that Mielke breached his duty to use "reasonable care in the firing of the handgun." It asks for more than $100,000 in damages, plus fees.

Pigott, who goes by the first name Rachael, could not be reached Thursday.

Her attorney, Eric Jensen of Wasilla, explained why she filed the suit.

"Her boy was shot in the back by a guy who knew he was shooting at somebody's back and was not threatened in any way at any time," Jensen said.

Mielke, contacted at the church Thursday, said he had no comment and would not identify his attorney.

The pastor shot Palmer in the lower back just after 5 a.m. April 24, 2003, as Palmer emerged from the basement of the church, a trim red building on Big Lake Road with a small but loyal local congregation.

Firing through a church window, Mielke then shot Jones in the back and heel as he fled to his car, parked nearby. Jones drove to Palmer's girlfriend's house on a back road a few miles away. He died there about four hours later.

Mielke told Alaska State Troopers that he rushed to the church with his .44-caliber handgun after hearing the men on an intercom wired to his home across the road. Standing at the top of the stairs in the dark with the men coming up at him, Mielke said, he was "scared to death."

Investigators later said they found folding knives in both men's pockets and a loaded .357 magnum in the basement.

The distinctly Alaska case -- a pistol-packing pastor avenging the burglary of his church -- generated significant local interest.

Many, including the jurors, backed Mielke's decision to protect his territory, a church founded by his family.

It also resonated among some Christians, who wondered whether Mielke violated larger biblical prohibition on murder and teachings on turning the other cheek.

Pigott came to Alaska in mid-May 2003 after the shootings, she said during an interview two years ago. She met Palmer's girlfriend -- June Benedix -- at the Wasilla Wal-Mart. She visited the church. She saw the mattress at Benedix's Big Lake home, "nothing more than a shack," Pigott said.

"When he got there, he didn't want her to leave," she said. "He begged her to stay there and lay by him because he knew he was going to die. She went to find a phone, called against his wishes. By the time they got there, he was dead."

Jones had several earlier arrests on his record, including 2001 assault and kidnapping charges dismissed the next year after he pleaded no contest, according to a database of state records.

Pigott acknowledged that the man she called "Sonny" who loved her lasagna was no saint. But, she said, her son didn't deserve to die the way he did.

A relative of Palmer's said the family has no plans to file a lawsuit.

Mielke has 20 days to respond to Pigott's suit.

Two years ago, the Palmer district attorney's office had to prove the pastor's guilt "beyond a reasonable doubt." Here, Jensen said, he simply has to prove guilt by a "preponderance of the evidence."

Any trial is still a year off, he said.

Reporter Zaz Hollander can be reached in Wasilla at [email protected] or at 1-907-352-6711.
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Firing through a church window, Mielke then shot Jones in the back and heel as he fled to his car, parked nearby. Jones drove to Palmer's girlfriend's house on a back road a few miles away. He died there about four hours later.
Shooting a fleeing person in the back?
 
Shooting a fleeing person in the back?
Legal? Well - a jury thought so.
Smart? Probably not.
Moral? Definitely.

Unfortunately we live in a society that coddles scumbags. If more of 'em were shot dead there'd be a whole lot fewer of 'em.

I suspect that the lawsuit will go nowhere - after all the jury will probably consist of the townsfolk where the preacher lives and it is in Alaska afterall.
 
previous threads discussing this...

http://66.80.73.51/showthread.php?t=47003&highlight=mielke (only took 18 months for wildalaskas prediction of a civil suit to be realized...)

http://66.80.73.51/showthread.php?t=46225&highlight=mielke

http://66.80.73.51/showthread.php?t=26788&highlight=mielke

http://66.80.73.51/showthread.php?t=25783&highlight=mielke

http://66.80.73.51/showthread.php?t=25783&highlight=mielke

http://66.80.73.51/showthread.php?t=20164&highlight=mielke

http://66.80.73.51/showthread.php?t=20164&highlight=mielke

http://66.80.73.51/showthread.php?t=20048&highlight=mielke

as a side note, the letter i posted that i sent to the editor of the ADN, had some data that i did not verify, about how many permit holders are in this state. i was told by the instructor at my CCW course that 75000 permits had been issued. i have not confirmed this, and in retrospect, i believe that number to be inflated.
 
I know the lawyer bringing this case, and based on that and what I know about the pastor this is a strike suit not a money suit. The pastor is basically judgment proof.

However, while a criminal jury let the pastor go, that was more nullification than anything else. The evidence against him was very strong. In a civil suit, the standard the plaintiff must meet is MUCH lower than the standard the DA had to meet in the criminal case. Moreover, the judge in a civil case can find the defendant liable even if the jury does not. There is no nullification in civil trials.

One way or another, I expect he will get hit with a verdict. His best bet is to hope the jury finds against him but only hits him with a minimal amount of damages. Enough to pass muster on appeal, but not enough to destroy his life.
 
We need a national law that basically says, if you're engaged in a criminal endeavor, you pretty much give up your rights. Get shot in the back? Tough... you shouldn't have been burglarizing the place. Get roughed up during an arrest? Too bad. Get the holy living Christ beaten out of you by the father/husband/brother of the girl you just raped? You had it coming.

Do that, and we'll see a lot less crime.
 
We need a national law that basically says, if you're engaged in a criminal endeavor, you pretty much give up your rights. Get shot in the back? Tough... you shouldn't have been burglarizing the place. Get roughed up during an arrest? Too bad. Get the holy living Christ beaten out of you by the father/husband/brother of the girl you just raped? You had it coming.

Do that, and we'll see a lot less crime.

This is exactly what the new law in Florida is going to do. :cool:
 
We need a national law that basically says, if you're engaged in a criminal endeavor, you pretty much give up your rights. Get shot in the back? Tough... you shouldn't have been burglarizing the place. Get roughed up during an arrest? Too bad. Get the holy living Christ beaten out of you by the father/husband/brother of the girl you just raped? You had it coming.

Yep.
 
We need a national law that basically says, if you're engaged in a criminal endeavor, you pretty much give up your rights. Get shot in the back? Tough... you shouldn't have been burglarizing the place. Get roughed up during an arrest? Too bad. Get the holy living Christ beaten out of you by the father/husband/brother of the girl you just raped? You had it coming.

Criminal endeavor? like speeding? no turn signal in lane change? get shot at cutting someone off, to bad you had it coming.
 
We need a national law that basically says, if you're engaged in a criminal endeavor, you pretty much give up your rights. Get shot in the back? Tough... you shouldn't have been burglarizing the place. Get roughed up during an arrest? Too bad. Get the holy living Christ beaten out of you by the father/husband/brother of the girl you just raped? You had it coming.
Agreed.
 
Pigott acknowledged that the man she called "Sonny" who loved her lasagna was no saint. But, she said, her son didn't deserve to die the way he did.
One wonders exactly how she thinks he DID deserve to die. :confused:
 
"Get roughed up during an arrest? Too bad."

Umm, maybe you ought to rethink and rephrase this one. Seriously. Otherwise, you've gone a good waydown the path of suspects being presumed and judged guilty before the case may be brought before a court. Go ask the marine in Florida about his opinions on the subject.


"Jones had several earlier arrests on his record, including 2001 assault and kidnapping charges dismissed the next year after he pleaded no contest, according to a database of state records.

Pigott acknowledged that the man she called "Sonny" who loved her lasagna was no saint."

Gee, ya think? Of course he was a good little boy, and had almost kicked his coke habit, and wasn't torturing small animals in the basement more than once a week nowdays, but years of his mom's terrible cooking drove him to a life of depravity and armed crime.


As for the preacher, he's lucky not to be living in some of the lower 48, the ones where it's a felony to be caught near a school, city hall or a church with a loaded handgun. Certainly, I hope for the revrends sake that goblins do not fall under that whole, "Thou shall not kill" thing...Not that there was any good or moral reason for the two crooks to stay in the gene pool, but absolutist morality, especially in religious forums, doesn't deal well with exceptions.
 
OK has the "make my day" law and it is legal to use deadly force to protect your property. But, as reported, this shooting is still pretty iffy. Generally it is frowned on to shoot someone when they are already outside and moving away. I personally made the decision long ago that I wasn't going to kill someone just to protect my property. I find a 15 year old in my living room with my VCR and he takes off running, I'm not going to shoot him. I might _want_ to shoot him but I'm personally only going to shoot somebody when I'm honestly "in fear for my life." Or to protect the lives of others in some cases. I don't think gunowers are particularly well served when someone is shot and killed by a homeowner purely to defend property.

Gregg
 
My point is a good defense in this wrongful death suit is that the dipstick choose to go bleed to death instead of getting medical attention. He was probably trying to evade capture and arrest. But his choices caused his death, not the pastor's.
 
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Spaceman; in Alaska you do not need a permit to carry concealed, if you are an AK resident. Alaska will issue a permit for you to show other states if you are traveling. AK recognises all other state's CCWs.
 
i know. the one good thing about getting the permit is that the applicant is provided with the laws regarding the use of deadly force and when its justifiable.
true, the applicant can ignore it all, but then, should the applicant wind up in an unjustifiable shooting, the state can turn around and say "hey! we gave you the materials. we provided an expert in your class to define the laws."
 
I don't think gunowers are particularly well served when someone is shot and killed by a homeowner purely to defend property.

I think everyone, including gun owners, sheep, AND liberals, are very well served when a crook gets his ass capped for trying to make off with a DVD player thats sitting in someone's living room.

That happens enough times, and there will be a lot fewer crooks out there. Chances are pretty decent that a lot of those remaining alive will at least give serious thought as to their chosen profession.

Darwinism at its finest.
 
One way or another, I expect he will get hit with a verdict. His best bet is to hope the jury finds against him but only hits him with a minimal amount of damages. Enough to pass muster on appeal, but not enough to destroy his life.

I think it was an Ally McBeal episode where the jury rendered a verdict for a cheating spouse, in the amount of 39 cents.

I think everyone, including gun owners, sheep, AND liberals, are very well served when a crook gets his ass capped for trying to make off with a DVD player thats sitting in someone's living room.

That happens enough times, and there will be a lot fewer crooks out there. Chances are pretty decent that a lot of those remaining alive will at least give serious thought as to their chosen profession.

Three cheers for someone who actually understands human nature!
 
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