"I Just Panicked"

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So, S.J. KOMARNITSKY and the Anchorage Daily News have reported the facts of the case wrong? Gee what fun, give us eronious facts, wait for us to comment and then bust us because we are using eronious facts to base our conclusions on.

If anyone has, and can cite the source of, the true facts in this case, it would help us all.

Thank you,
DM
 
"Once inside, events unfolded quickly. He found a back door ajar, yelled out to his wife to call the troopers, and within seconds, saw two men running up the stairs at him from the church basement.

A light overhead blinked several times, then went out, he said. He thought the men were coming to attack him. Only later, did he realize the two may have been trying to run out the door.

Mielke said he fired twice. Both men were hit in the back."

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I'm not sure what you find inconsistent between the details Spiff provided, and the story. You can shoot a man in the back, from the side can't you? And he didn't shoot until they reached the top of the stairs - where he was standing. When he did shoot, he only fired once at each intruder - hardly overkill!

The shots out the window were hardly necessary or well advised, but that isn't what killed anyone. Those shots have nothing to do with case other than as a tool for the prosecutor to make him look bad.

Keith
 
RANT BUTTON ON:

Maybe I'm just bellicose about criminals being shot by their victims while being caught in the act of robbing, pillaging, etc. Being considered innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt is imho fine for the courtroom, not a darkened hallway.

If you are in someone's occupied home or business illegally, and are confronted by the victim, you should understand that your life is in serious peril because of your actions. The victim should not be overscrutinized if the scoundrel is injured or killed. The victim should not be asked to be held accountable for his actions when being terrorized in his home or business. The highest degree of restraint regarding deadly force should be incumbent upon the professional law enforcement person for a number of reasons. Conversely, a home or business owner deserves the widest and highest benefit of the doubt when that victim uses deadly force in the same situation. We should not forget that the intruder was not invited and is on a nefarious mission and it is totally uknown if he has a proclivity toward violence. We have become a nation of wimps, sheep, whiners and defenders of the dark side in these matters.

If criminals knew they burgled or robbed at the peril of their lives, and that fact was embraced by the populace, perhaps a couple of things might occur. Criminals would be forced to reconsider their actions a tad, or the gene pool would be thinned out a bit. Either way, we'd have a bit less crime maybe.

END OF RANT

grampster:fire:
 
Let's just suppose ....

Pastor calls 911 and stays home.

Local "mountie" just happens to be in the area and responds immediately (ok, I know this is fantasy but bear with me)

Mountie investigates church building and two men come running up the stairs straight at him.


1) What might be the mountie's response?

2) Assuming the mountie fired, what would be the legal outcome?
 
well gee tallpine, thats obvious! that mountie is the ONLY one who is experienced enough to know exactly what to do. a lowly serf whos no more than a cleric wouldnt have the faintest idea of what the proper course of action is!
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keith, the BG's did NOT have thier gun in their hands. it was left by them sitting on something, a waterheater or furnace iirc.
 
the BG's did NOT have thier gun in their hands.
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It doesn't matter except in the most general sense since Mielke didn't see the gun anyway. It just shows that these guys weren't harmless kids on a prank. They were armed intruders who needed killlin' as they say in Texas.

Keith
 
whoops! i left my tactical hat at home today. otherwise i wouldnt have missed that.
but now that you mention it, since this occured in the valley, theres no doubt in my mind that the LEO would have called in, not just backup, but the dea and atf as well cause there would undoubtedly have been a couple hundred plants and some explosives laying around.

doesnt every house in the valley have such?
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What Grampster said. In particular:

Conversely, a home or business owner deserves the widest and highest benefit of the doubt when that victim uses deadly force in the same situation. We should not forget that the intruder was not invited and is on a nefarious mission and it is totally uknown if he has a proclivity toward violence.
 
I figured the next person would tell me that a LEO would know better than to try to clear a building all by themselves
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Right. Everyone should just wait an hour for the troopers to drive 90 miles and "clear the building" when you hear the noise of some furball that just crawled in from the attic.

Self-reliance is no longer politically correct and we should all crawl under the bed with a cell phone and let the police deal with the Marten (or burglar) on our property.

Keith
 
It just shows that these guys weren't harmless kids on a prank.
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makes me wonder how the mat-su valley prosecutor handles cases against BG's.
"so why did you feel it necessary to take a gun with you when you robbed that convenience store? you never had to shoot anyone on the other occasions you robbed it. what made this time any different?"
 
The valley is getting "California"! Too many outsiders moving in who want to turn it into what they fled.

Keith
 
Sounds to me like the pastor didn't have a very good attorney. Spiff, sounds like you would make a good one!

Grampster's got it right. We'd have a lot less crime if we gave the benefit of doubt to the good guys instead of the bad guys.
 
I've read (on this thread) where a lot of people would have done this and others would have done that.............ain't it great to be a Monday morning quarterback?????:rolleyes:
 
I've read (on this thread) where a lot of people would have done this and others would have done that.............ain't it great to be a Monday morning quarterback?????
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When you're finished with the sarcasm, you might conside the possibility that studying and discussing actual incidents is a very good way to mentally prepare for and develop sound tactical strategies for a possible future encounter.

Also, this IS a "discussion" board. :)
 
Sounds like he has a lousy lawyer, and had lously CCW training. He didn't know when NOT to shoot, and he doesn't know what NOT to say.


But his accuracy does seem to be okay. Two shots, two hits.


But changing the subject from tactics and legalities a bit, did anyone notice this: (fans of STOPPING POWER TAKE SPECIAL NOTE)


He hit each of these guys with a Ruger .44, presumably a .44 mag, and they died.


Later.




BTW, mpayne, you're developing a bad habit of making posts that leave me saying, "What mpayne said." Knock that off, willya?

:D
 
Exodus 22:2 If a thief should be found in the act of breaking in and he does get struck and die, there is no bloodguilt for him.

The media to many times paints the thief as the innocent party when he is confronted with violence. The laws today also stick up for the criminal. What we need more is for the criminal element to be met with the force needed to take this country back from the criminals and give it back to the law abiding and honest citizens.
 
What we need more is for the criminal element to be met with the force needed to take this country back from the criminals and give it back to the law abiding and honest citizens.
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In my opinion, we have a weird divergence right now in this country:

- more and more states are passing shall issue CCW laws

-yet there is greater scrutiny of self defense shootings, even in (some) gun friendly states.

Could it be that if they give us the means to defend ourselves we must be held to a higher standard, or is it a way for the leftists (who are present even in gun friendly states) to snipe back at laws they hate?

(am aware this thread is not a CCW issue, but it does have implications in the overall RKBA issue).
 
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