Alabama gun bill

[RetiredUSNChief]

i now take home a company truck so i can have one in the thier vehicle. i think most of thier thinking was from a old supervisor we had that was so worried about his guns getting stolen while at work he kept them all in his truck.

You need to rethink this. A company truck is not in the same category as a company parking lot. I don't think there is a state in the union in which a company cannot legally say "you cannot have a privately owned firearm in a company vehicle or in company buildings". This includes carrying it on your person with a CWP while in a company vehicle or company building.

There are states where it is legal to have a firearm in your vehicle while in a company parking lot. But even then, those states recognize the right of a business to exclude firearms from other company grounds, buildings, and property. Texas comes to mind, here.

 

[LAL357]

i see it should have read that i cannot carry one anymore my typo .....ok lets back up at first i drove me own personal vehicle to work and kept a pistol in it was told no guns allowed on company property fast forward to now/today now i drive a company truck take it home park it in front of the house no guns of any kind in it or allowed. some of my fellow works still drive thier personal vehicle to work then get in a company truck. thier pistols stay in thier personal vehicle when they park them to get into the company trucks. what cuased the no guns allowed rule at work was when my former supervisor who took a company vehicle home kept all his guns in it .

what i was trying to say is with the new car carry permit they will be able to keep one in thier cars/trucks concealed in our company parking lot ... the only thing thye could do is have them park somewhere off the property.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

Gotcha!

 

[Bhamrichard]

Tomorrow, April 23, the House Commerce and Small Business Committee will hold an important public hearing on Senate Bill 286, a critical omnibus firearms bill.

If you are able, please attend this public hearing to support SB 286 at 10:00 a.m. in Room 418 of Alabama State House Building.

Sponsored by state Senators Scott Beason (R-17) and Roger Bedford (D-6), SB 286 seeks to restore and protect the rights of law-abiding gun owners and sportsmen in Alabama by reforming the state gun laws in the following ways:

No employer may prohibit the otherwise lawful possession, transportation or storage of firearms or ammunition that is kept out of sight within a locked or attended private vehicle of an invitee who is otherwise permitted to operate or park that vehicle on the property. This would allow employees to carry a firearm during their commute to and from work.

Creates a “car carry permit” that will be free of charge and good for life. Currently, in order to transport a handgun in a vehicle, one must be in possession of a pistol permit.

Shifts the current “May Issue” concealed carry permit system to a “Shall Issue” permit system and requires that a sheriff must issue or deny the carry permit within thirty days. Should someone be denied a permit, a written denial must be provided and that applicant would have an opportunity to appear before an appeals panel.

A permit to carry a concealed pistol shall be good for one to five years (to be decided by the applicant seeking the carry permit).

Requires sheriffs to use the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) to conduct a background check on concealed pistol permit applicants.

Allows for all other valid state-issued permits to carry a concealed firearm to be recognized in Alabama.

Strengthens Alabama’s firearms preemption statute by reserving for the state legislature complete control over regulation and policy relating to firearms, ammunition and firearm accessories in order to ensure that such regulation is applied uniformly throughout the state.

Extends the current Castle Doctrine to include places of business to ensure the right of self-defense does not end when you enter your business.

If you cannot attend this public hearing, please contact members of the House Commerce and Small Business Committee and respectfully urge them to support SB 286.

House Commerce and Small Business Committee:

Representative Jack Williams (Chairman)
(205) 682-8019
[email protected]

Representative Barry Moore (Vice-Chairman)
(334) 393-4264
[email protected]

Representative Craig Ford (Ranking Minority Member)
(256) 413-7611

Representative Richard Baughn
(800) 877-7634
[email protected]

Representative Mack Butler
(334) 242-7446
[email protected]

Representative David Colston
(334) 242-7535
[email protected]

Representative Kurt Wallace
(334) 242-7772
[email protected]

Representative April Weaver
(205) 620-6610

Representative Pebblin Warren
(334) 242-7734
[email protected]

 

[docnyt]

I was about to post this^^^. I may be able to attend but how exactly does one show support at a public hearing?

 

[jimmyraythomason]

SB-286 passed the House Small Business and Commerce Committee 6-2.http://mikehubbard.com/hubbard-henry-announce-compromise-version-of-omnibus-bill/

 

[razorback2003]

YOu guys in AL have a good system that I wish we had in TN. We can't carry in schools legally on our permit, but you can.

 

[Bhamrichard]

Overall the 'substitute' voted out of committee is a positive, but it really distorts the first bill as it was introduced. Assuming it passes the house, the house and senate versions will have to be re-negotiated on, as they don't match each other.

 

[ol' dixie]

SB 286 is an important pro-gun, pro-self-defense bill currently before the Alabama Legislature.

Please call and e-mail your Alabama Representatives and Senators and tell them you want them to vote "yes" on SB 286.

The bill is complicated, but it is a good one and I support it.

There are only four legislative days left in this session. Your action tonight or tomorrow just might make the difference.

Thanks,

Ol’ Dixie

From the NRA earlier today:

http://nraila.org/legislation/state...mnibus-pro-gun-legislation-this-thursday.aspx

Alabama: House of Representatives Scheduled to Consider Omnibus Pro-Gun Legislation this Thursday

Posted on April 30, 2013

This Thursday, May 2, the Alabama House of Representatives is scheduled to consider Senate Bill 286. SB 286 recently passed in the House Commerce and Small Business Committee by a 6 to 2 vote. State Representative Ed Henry (R-9) offered a substitute for Senate Bill 286 in committee, and this will be the version of this bill that will be considered on the floor of the Alabama House of Representatives this Thursday.

From the drafting and discussions of SB 286, its passage in the Senate, and as it comes to the House floor this Thursday, your NRA has been involved since day one.

There has been some misinformation spread about SB 286. While not perfect, SB 286 is a step in the right direction for the law-abiding gun owners of Alabama and residents of other states traveling to Alabama. Please contact your state Representative TODAY and respectfully urge him or her to support SB 286. Contact information for your state Representative can be found here.

http://www.legislature.state.al.us/

The language that was substituted in Senate Bill 286 will continue to restore and protect the rights of responsible gun owners and sportsmen in Alabama by reforming the state gun laws in the following ways:

1. Allows those who possess a valid Alabama pistol permit to keep firearms stored in their vehicle while at work, as well as allowing those who possess a valid Alabama hunting license to store an unloaded rifle or shotgun in their vehicle while at work.
2. Allows for the transportation of a handgun without an Alabama pistol permit as long as the handgun is unloaded, locked in a container and out of reach of the driver or passenger.
3 Shifts the current “May Issue” concealed carry permit system to a “Shall Issue” permit system and requires that a sheriff must issue or deny the carry permit within thirty days. Should someone be denied a permit, a written denial must be provided and that applicant would have an opportunity to appeal the denial.
4. A permit to carry a concealed pistol shall be good for one to five years (to be decided by the applicant seeking the carry permit).
5. Requires sheriffs to use the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) to conduct a background check on concealed pistol permit applicants.
6. Allows for all other valid state-issued permits to carry a concealed firearm to be recognized in Alabama.
7 Strengthens Alabama’s firearms preemption statute by reserving for the state legislature complete control over regulation and policy relating to firearms, ammunition and firearm accessories in order to ensure that such regulation is applied uniformly throughout the state.
8. Extends the current Castle Doctrine to include places of business to ensure the right of self-defense does not end when you enter your business.

 

[Bhamrichard]

The Alabama House passed the substitute bill by a wide margin. That version of the legislation will now have to go over to the Senate to vote on this version. If it passes, it will be sent to the Governor to sign, or not. If it does NOT pass, it will be put back into committee in the Senate.

 

[Bob_P]

Carry rifle or shotgun only during hunting season?

Read this in the B'ham News today:

<excerpted, emphasis added>

"The bill, if signed into law, would:

-- Block employers from prohibiting employees from bringing guns into workplace parking lots provided the firearm is out of sight and the car is locked. A concealed carry permit would be required for pistols. A shotgun or hunting rifle, could only be carried during hunting season, and would require a valid hunting license. Employees would have to meet other requirements."


This has got to be an error in reporting. Anyone know about this?

 

[Bhamrichard]

This has got to be an error in reporting. Anyone know about this?

IANAL, but that does NOT appear to be an error. Your employer would be bared from preventing you from having a rifle or shotgun in your vehicle, during hunting season, with a valid hunting permit.

This section supposedly only applies to the "parking lot" provision of the bill.

 

[mdauben]

pThis has got to be an error in reporting. Anyone know about this?

That does not match the previously language of that provision of the bill. Below is from the NRA-ILA announcement.

Allows those who possess a valid Alabama pistol permit to keep firearms stored in their vehicle while at work, as well as allowing those who possess a valid Alabama hunting license to store an unloaded rifle or shotgun in their vehicle while at work.

Personally, I'd put more faith in the accuracy on the NRA-ILA than some newspaper. That said I was not able to find a copy of the actual text of the bill so it's possible that was a last minute change.

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[tnxdshooter]

I read where they also passed one like 26-4 that said if the federal government passes any laws to infringe on the 2A that Alabama will consider them null and void and will not enforce them.

Sent from my mind using ninja telepathy.

 

[DeepSouth]

Update

Just in from a NRA email

Alabama: State House Approves Critical Omnibus Firearms Bill, Goes to Governor for his Approval
Contact Governor Bentley TODAY and ask him to sign Senate Bill 286 into law

Today, the Alabama House of Representatives accepted the conference committee report for Senate Bill 286 by a 73-28 vote. This measure now goes to Governor Robert Bentley (R) for his approval. While not perfect, SB 286 is an important step in the right direction for the law-abiding gun owners in Alabama and residents of other states traveling to and through Alabama. Therefore, it is critical you contact Governor Bentley TODAY and respectfully ask him to sign Senate Bill 286 into law.

Governor Robert Bentley:

(334) 242-7100

Click here to send an email

Sponsored by state Senators Scott Beason (R-17) and Roger Bedford (D-6) and state Representative Ed Henry (R-9), SB 286, if signed into law, will continue to restore and protect the rights of responsible gun owners and sportsmen in Alabama by reforming the state gun laws in the following ways:
Allows those who possess a valid Alabama pistol permit to keep firearms stored in their vehicle while at work, as well as allowing those who possess a valid Alabama hunting license to store an unloaded rifle or shotgun in their vehicle while at work.Allows transportation of a handgun in a vehicle without an Alabama pistol permit as long as the handgun is unloaded, locked in a container and out of reach of the driver or passenger.
Shifts the current “May Issue” concealed carry permit system to a “Shall Issue” permit system and requires that a sheriff must issue or deny the carry permit within thirty days. Should someone be denied a permit, a written denial must be provided and that applicant would have an opportunity to appeal the denial.
A permit to carry a concealed pistol shall be good for one to five years (to be decided by the applicant seeking the carry permit).
Requires sheriffs to use the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) to conduct a background check on concealed pistol permit applicants.
Allows for all other valid state-issued permits to carry a concealed firearm to be recognized in Alabama.
Strengthens Alabama’s firearms preemption statute by reserving for the state legislature complete control over regulation and policy relating to firearms, ammunition and firearm accessories in order to ensure that such regulation is applied uniformly throughout the state.
Extends the current Castle Doctrine to include places of business to ensure the right of self-defense does not end when you enter your business.

 

[CZ 75 BD]

Whoo hoo! We did it. That's the good news. The bad news is that pistol permit prices will go up, by how much, who knows. I think I may have renewed my last $7.50 permit.

 

[DeepSouth]

50$ for 5 years is what they have been saying. At on time they were going to allow exceptions for the few counties that are currently below that price, but I don't know if that made it into the final bill. But the $50 for five years is still in there to the best of my knowledge.

I currently pay $20 a year, mine will obviously go down.

 

[Telekinesis]

I think $50 for 5 years is fine considering I've been paying $10 for the one year license anyway ($7.50+2.50 to get it laminated).

Does anyone know when the law will become effective? I read through the bill but must have missed it. And will the new CCW (now that it uses NICS) be allowed to serve as an exemption to the background check while buying guns? It would be helpful if NICS gets backed up again.

It also looks like there was no mention of age for the CCW permit in the bill which should mean that we are now "shall issue" to anyone over 18!

 

[docnyt]

Didn't see anything about the age requirement either. We'll probably see a more definite enactment date when Bentley signs it.

 

[Bhamrichard]

I'm not sure if this is good news or not.. This new law ADDS prohibited places that we did not have before. I'll be reading over the full law tonight and trying to make some sense of it. But from my admittedly very brief looking at it, I think the NRA gave away some stupid things in order to get this passed..

n Monday, the Alabama Legislature adjourned sine die. Gun owners and sportsmen earned a major victory with the passage of an omnibus firearms bill, Senate Bill 286. This NRA-supported bill was signed into law yesterday by Governor Robert Bentley (R) and will take effect on August 1.

The NRA thanks state lawmakers who voted for SB 286, Governor Bentley for signing it into law and all NRA members who contacted their state legislators in support of this reform. Special thanks goes to SB 286’s sponsors, state Senators Scott Beason (R-17) and Roger Bedford (D-6) and state Representative Ed Henry (R-9) for all of their hard work to protect and restore Second Amendment rights of all Alabama residents.

Senate Bill 286 will protect and restore your Right to Keep and Bear Arms in Alabama by reforming the state gun laws in the following ways:

Allows those who possess a valid Alabama pistol permit to keep firearms stored in their vehicle while at work, as well as allowing those who possess a valid Alabama hunting license to store an unloaded rifle or shotgun used in their vehicle while at work.

Allows transportation of a handgun in a vehicle without an Alabama pistol permit as long as the handgun is unloaded, locked in a container and out of reach of the driver or passenger.

Shifts the current “May Issue” concealed carry permit system to a “Shall Issue” permit system and requires that a sheriff must issue or deny the carry permit within thirty days. Should someone be denied a permit, a written denial must be provided and that applicant would have an opportunity to appeal the denial.
A permit to carry a concealed pistol shall be good for one to five years (to be decided by the applicant seeking the carry permit).

Requires sheriffs to use the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) to conduct a background check on concealed pistol permit applicants.

Allows for all other valid state-issued permits to carry a concealed firearm to be recognized in Alabama.

Strengthens Alabama’s firearms preemption statute by reserving for the state legislature complete control over regulation and policy relating to firearms, ammunition and firearm accessories in order to ensure that such regulation is applied uniformly throughout the state.

Extends the current Castle Doctrine to include places of business to ensure the right of self-defense does not end when you enter your business.

 

[mdauben]

I'm not sure if this is good news or not.. This new law ADDS prohibited places that we did not have before. I'll be reading over the full law tonight and trying to make some sense of it. But from my admittedly very brief looking at it, I think the NRA gave away some stupid things in order to get this passed.

Can you elaborate on this? I have seen nothing in any descriptions of the bill indicating that any change to prohibited places was involved.


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[TenDriver]

I haven't seen it either. I just don't have the attention span to sort through the text of the bill. Need a summary.

My initial take was that you can't open carry in certain places but it didn't apply to carrying concealed (sporting events). I could very well be wrong though.

 

[zdc1775]

I haven't been able to read through it in its entirety but it looks like open carry was added back and that the fees for permits will be the current amounts in local ordinance times the number of years. Also looks like sporting events are prohibited unless you have a permit.
Here is a link to the latest version I can find
http://legiscan.com/AL/text/SB286

 

[Bhamrichard]

Can you elaborate on this? I have seen nothing in any descriptions of the bill indicating that any change to prohibited places was involved.

Sure.. Courthouses, courthouse annex's, anywhere a city council is currently meeting, this makes all municipal buildings off limits while the council, or county commission is in session, any place that has a metal detector, turnstile, or other such device prior to entry.

I know Courthouses were generally previously verbotin, but that was by order of the head judge of the facility, at least here in Jefferson County. It was NOT part of the law.. Now it is..

Full section text:

Section 6. (a) In addition to any other place limited or prohibited by state or federal law, a person, including a person with a permit issued under Section 13A-11-75(a)(1) or recognized under Section 13A-11-85, Code of
Alabama 1975, may not knowingly possess or carry a firearm in
any of the following places without the express permission of
a person or entity with authority over the premises:

(1) Inside the building of a police, sheriff, or highway patrol station.

(2) Inside or on the premises of a prison, jail, halfway house, community corrections facility, or other detention facility for those who have been charged with or convicted of a criminal or juvenile offense.

(3) Inside or on the premises of a facility which provides inpatient or custodial care of those with psychiatric, mental, or emotional disorders.

(4) Inside a courthouse, courthouse annex, a building in which a District Attorney's office is located, or a building in which a county commission or city council is currently having a regularly scheduled or specially called
meeting.

(5) Inside any facility hosting an athletic event not related to or involving firearms which is sponsored by a private or public elementary or secondary school or any private or public institution of postsecondary education,
unless the person has a permit issued under Section 13A-11-75(a)(1) or recognized under Section 13A-11-85.

(6) Inside any facility hosting a professional athletic event not related to or involving firearms, unless the person has a permit issued under Section 13A-11-75(a)(1) or recognized under Section 13A-11-85.

(b) Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection

(a), a person, including a person with a permit issued under Section 13A-11-75(a)(1) or recognized under Section 13A-11-85, Code of Alabama 1975, may not, without the express permission of a person or entity with authority over the premises, knowingly possess or carry a firearm inside any building or facility to which access of unauthorized persons and
prohibited articles is limited during normal hours of operation by the continuous posting of guards and the use of other security features, including, but not limited to, magnetometers, key cards, biometric screening devices, or turnstiles or other physical barriers

So now we have new prohibited areas, not previously seen in Alabama. Mostly because the NRA wanted the parking lot provision..

 

[Bhamrichard]

My initial take was that you can't open carry in certain places but it didn't apply to carrying concealed (sporting events). I could very well be wrong though.

I am no attorney, but your assessment would appear to be correct. Pistol Permit holders are exempt from that section, now in retrospect.. I don't see anywhere that says permit holders must have there firearm concealed. Just that they must have a permit.. Hmmmmm