Alert - Brady Campaign Email and "Gun Show Loophole" Bill gaining momentum

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Does anyone know Sarah Brady's home address so I can sign her up for gift deliveries of Hickory Farms sausages, Angus red meat, and other fine foods guaranteed to clog her arteries? Or maybe I'll buy her a lifetime gift membership in the NRA -- that ought to get her heart racing.
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Duke, we need to get her hooked on cigs as well. Might as well up the odds with a horrible drinking problem too.
 
Servn99, I might as well weigh in. I too support everyone's right to keep and bear arms. If you are too dangerous to own a firearm then you should be in prison.

I can't hardly believe that a member here would feel that restricting private gun sales would be okay. I don't care if it's for one gun or 500.

This is a fine forum, but I could use a little less deplomacy and a little more hard-core pro-gun attitudes.
 
wyocarp: "This is a fine forum, but I could use a little less deplomacy and a little more hard-core pro-gun attitudes."

As a certifiable gun nut, I see plenty of that elsewhere. I've withdrawn from other fora in the past if for no better reason than that it got tedious reading endless "news releases" regarding assorted half-baked, impossible legislative action, accompanied by trumpeted assertions that the budding newsman wants to know "what part of 'shall not infringed' don't they understand?!"

It gets old. Although I disagree with many here, and spar occasionally with some smart and some not-so-smart participants, this is a better forum for the comparative lack of drum beating.
 
Justin: "Sarah Brady already has lung cancer from a lifelong cigarette habit. There were news stories about this a couple of years ago."

I'm going to take the high road, here ...

... but it ain't easy. She is far more than some opposition politician.
 
i will tell yall bout my last background check......

i went to a local gun store, picked out a nice S&W airweight, give store owner my fl drivers license and my newly renewed ccw license did the paper work, all normal so far.he in turn called in for a background check, charged me $5.00 to call them (the state) and they told him do not release the gun, and made me wait 3 days to get it. all this with a ccw permit (valid by the way) and as a note i was packing a 357 at the time (CCW) but still had to wait 3 buissness days to take home my 38????? ***... i was under the impression that with a permit i don't have a 3 day wait!!! so to sum up my story, i think (my opinion) that if you have proper ID and CCW license there should be no need to call for check and no 3 day wait...

sorry to get a little off topic and venting but as i see it that fu**ed up call cost me 3 days wait and couldn't use it at the range that weekend. so the way it went down... i had to wait 3 days to bring home an UNLOADED 38 but legally allowed to carry my LOADED 357 till the 3 day wait was over...

WOW, I LOVE GOVERNMENT.
 
Aw what, you don't want more convoluted laws that don't address any real problems and only serve to make life miserable for us good guys?
 
Loop Hole

I too am a new member to this forum and really enjoy reading comments and learning from the knowledge that is provided by others. But one thing that I just don't get is why anyone thinks we need more gun laws. It has been said before and I could not agree more that the only people impacted by new gun control laws and legislation are those that have been abiding by all the laws and legislation already in place. The criminal faction does not care if a thousands new laws are passed because it won't change anything for them. This leads me to believe that those who want to run this country are either A: brain dead, B: just don't care about anything but making a name for themselves, or C: they have no concept of what would actually happen if criminals were the only ones with guns. I wonder if they have ever sat down and thought about all the positive benefits for a nation when its citizens are armed? Its pretty obvious we the people are still viewed as having less intelligence and need direction from people that automatically became smarter when they were elected.
 
as for the "hard core pro gun comment" : I'm still shaking my head as to why some so called " hard core pro-gunners" would support a felon's RKBA:rolleyes: Last time I checked, the MS13 gangbangers that populate in and around my neck of the woods don't really seem bent on adapting the rules of society once they get released from jail. I don't even know of any die hard conservative pro gun candidates like Ron Paul that supports such thinking.

little less preaching, little more common sense
 
Someone post a Well Written Short Letter, That we can Copy paste and send it out to our Critters!
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If you sign up for GOA's email alerts they'll keep you on top of things and send you links to pre-written emails that you can send right from their site.

As I've stated before, if there's anyone here who won't give money to the cause, at least do this. It costs nothing and takes only a few clicks of the mouse.
 
Last time I checked, the MS13 gangbangers that populate in and around my neck of the woods don't really seem bent on adapting the rules of society once they get released from jail.
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Which of course means they will buy guns illegally, regardless of any law in place.

Why is that so hard for you to understand?

Seriously, you are so hung up on this "no RKBA for felons" that you are missing the entire rest of the argument.

Felons don't obey laws, that's pretty much why they are felons.

So why will more laws stop them? Talk about common sense......
 
sernv99: "as for the "hard core pro gun comment" : I'm still shaking my head as to why some so called " hard core pro-gunners" would support a felon's RKBA Last time I checked, the MS13 gangbangers that populate in and around my neck of the woods don't really seem bent on adapting the rules of society once they get released from jail. I don't even know of any die hard conservative pro gun candidates like Ron Paul that supports such thinking."

1. My guess is someone you really dislike (runaway dad?) picked up a felony conviction at some point.

2. Tax evaders, insider traders, embezzlers, habitual offenders and racketeers may not be your favorite people, but denying them arms makes no rational sense.

3. Your gangbangers, who by your own admission aren't keen on "adapting the rules of society" are unlikely to obey a ban on firearms possession.

4. Ron Paul is no conservative. Ron Paul is a demented gynecologist.
 
as for the "hard core pro gun comment" : I'm still shaking my head as to why some so called " hard core pro-gunners" would support a felon's RKBA Last time I checked, the MS13 gangbangers that populate in and around my neck of the woods don't really seem bent on adapting the rules of society once they get released from jail. I don't even know of any die hard conservative pro gun candidates like Ron Paul that supports such thinking.
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Perhaps Hard-Core Pro Gunners who disagree with felons not having 2nd Amendment rights have a little more foresight, since felonies are defined by the incumbent government, who can change or add additional activities to the felony list. It also defines a group that cannot legally own guns, setting a precedent for other groups to be added. Say, those who disagree with the government, who could be violent political activists, or to coin a phrase Right Wing Extremists.

little less preaching, little more common sense
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Problem with common sense is it's neither common nor invariant, common sense to many is gun control. Common sense to many is guns go off without any provocation. Common sense to many is gun owners are homicidal maniacs.
 
I was just at the Hampton VA gun show. I saw a private sale get turned down, purely because the guy trying to buy it couldn't speak well of enough english and just kept going up to anyone and everyone just trying to get any gun he could, it wasn't like he was looking for something in particular. All he kept doing was, "what about that one, okay, that one?" and the private sellers kept telling him no, he was getting belligerant and the security escorted him out. No one would sell to him. Another thing that was suspiscious was that he never went up to a Vendor where you have to do Background checks. the private citizens, buying and selling privately, protect their own.
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It seems that in this particular situation, if all the private gun sellers had not uniformly chosen to deny this person a gun purchase because of his language skills, an expanded background-check requirement actually would have worked to keep guns out of his hands at this gun show.
 
Sarah Brady bragging about getting Frank Lautenberg to sponsor a gun control bill is like Jim Beam bragging about being able to get an alcoholic to drink a shot of whiskey.
 
flrfh213 said:
will tell yall bout my last background check......

i went to a local gun store, picked out a nice S&W airweight, give store owner my fl drivers license and my newly renewed ccw license did the paper work, all normal so far.he in turn called in for a background check, charged me $5.00 to call them (the state) and they told him do not release the gun, and made me wait 3 days to get it. all this with a ccw permit (valid by the way) and as a note i was packing a 357 at the time (CCW) but still had to wait 3 buissness days to take home my 38????? ***... i was under the impression that with a permit i don't have a 3 day wait!!! so to sum up my story, i think (my opinion) that if you have proper ID and CCW license there should be no need to call for check and no 3 day wait...

sorry to get a little off topic and venting but as i see it that fu**ed up call cost me 3 days wait and couldn't use it at the range that weekend. so the way it went down... i had to wait 3 days to bring home an UNLOADED 38 but legally allowed to carry my LOADED 357 till the 3 day wait was over...
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:) In Minnesota your carry permit is your permit to acquire and all they do is call and verify that your permit is still valid. Background check takes about five minutes, including filling out the 4473. I think Minnesota has a better permit law than darn near anybody...
 
So, would this proposed bill outlaw all private sales, or would it specifically outlaw private sales at gun shows?

I.e., if this bill were to be passed, would private sales still be legal as long as they didn't take place at a gun show?
 
So, would this proposed bill outlaw all private sales, or would it specifically outlaw private sales at gun shows?
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Someone posted the text of the bill. It appears only to affect private sales at gun shows.

Perhaps Hard-Core Pro Gunners who disagree with felons not having 2nd Amendment rights have a little more foresight, since felonies are defined by the incumbent government, who can change or add additional activities to the felony list. It also defines a group that cannot legally own guns, setting a precedent for other groups to be added. Say, those who disagree with the government, who could be violent political activists, or to coin a phrase Right Wing Extremists.
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Exactly. Way back when Arizona's prohibited possessor ststute was enacted, it only applied to violent felons and only handguns. Then, they changed it to include all felons and all guns. Then, it was changed to include some misdemeanors. Tomorrow, it will include all misdemeanors, and the day after that traffic offenses.
 
some of the blame is our own. I go to alot of gun shows and i watch alot of privet sales. very few will even "ask" the buyer if they are a state res. most just say give me money,hand them the gun and walk away. now im not for closeing the "gun show loop hole" but i do think we as gun owners need to be more thoughtful in our privet sales.
 
It seems that in this particular situation, if all the private gun sellers had not uniformly chosen to deny this person a gun purchase because of his language skills, an expanded background-check requirement actually would have worked to keep guns out of his hands at this gun show.
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How do you know a background check would have denied him a purchase? I see no evidence shown that he was a prohibited person in any way, just that his English skills were poor and that maybe he was frustrated by that.

That's a reason for him to be denied?

See that's the problem with this. You're assuming the background checks work some kind of magic, accurately predicting who will commit crime with a gun.

But since 1993, when the Brady Law went into effect, background checks have been a complete failure.

Why exactly would MORE of something that doesn't work all of a sudden start to work?

I go to alot of gun shows and i watch alot of privet sales. very few will even "ask" the buyer if they are a state res. most just say give me money,hand them the gun and walk away. now im not for closeing the "gun show loop hole" but i do think we as gun owners need to be moore thoughtful in our privet sales.
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Apply this to any other private property sale and see how absurd it sounds.

If you sell an airplane do you ask if the buyer plans to run drugs in it? Do you ask if he has a pilots license?

If you sell a car do you ask the buyer if he plans to use it in a bank robbery?

If you sell a crowbar do you ask the buyer if he plans to break into houses with it?

What the buyer does is the buyers problem, and if the buyer intends to break the law then the law will deal with that person.

What all of you are saying is that since there are some criminals in the world then none of us can be trusted to buy property without some kind of "permission".

I don't get it.
 
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