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I get the Brady newsletter sent to me so I can keep track of what those busybodies are doing. I cut and pasted the latest one below.


New Senate Bill to Require Background Checks at Gun Shows
No background check, no gun, no excuses.
Dear XXX,


Virginia Tech survivor Lily Habtu joins Senators Lautenberg (NJ) and Reed (RI) at press conference to announce new Senate bill aimed at closing the gun show loophole.
We started this year with a huge victory — thanks to you and our many allies — with a new law that will strengthen the Brady criminal background check system!

Now we need to keep up the momentum and take the next logical step: make sure that everyone who wants to buy a gun gets a background check.

Earlier today, Senator Lautenberg (NJ) introduced legislation that will keep criminals and other dangerous people from buying and selling guns without Brady criminal background checks at gun shows.

Gun shows should not be a haven for convicted felons, domestic violence abusers, or someone who is dangerously mentally ill who wants to evade a background check. Letting criminals and other prohibited purchasers get away with buying guns at gun shows is at odds with common sense, and recklessly puts lives at risk. We believe the law should be "no background check, no gun, no excuses."

CLICK HERE TO EMAIL YOUR SENATORS NOW
Urge Them to Support Senator Lautenberg's Bill to Close the Gun Show Loophole



Whether they are called gun shows, flea markets, or swap meets, there are thousands of events every year in our local communities where unlicensed individuals can sell firearms without doing background checks. (Federally-licensed firearm dealers at the same event are required to conduct Brady criminal background checks.)
People prohibited from buying or possessing guns seek out these unlicensed sellers, because they know that they can simply put down their money and walk away with deadly weapons.

Law-abiding gun buyers and sellers have nothing to fear from background checks. Only criminals and corrupt sellers do. Allowing dangerous people to buy guns at gun shows from unlicensed sellers without a background check threatens the safety of our families and communities.

Here's What You Can Do Today:

1. EMAIL YOUR SENATORS NOW.
Urge them to support Senator Lautenberg's bill to close the gun show loophole. Tell them you want the law to be "no background check, no gun, no excuses." Click here to send an email to both of your Senators.

2. SPREAD THE WORD.
Our Senators need to hear from as many of us as possible. Please click here to use our tool to forward this email to friends and family.

3. LEARN MORE ABOUT THE ISSUE.
Visit our website to download talking points and issue briefs on this important subject.
America is turning a corner on the gun issue, and I want you to be a part of what could be an historic moment for our country. I ask you to join us in helping make 2008 a safer year for all Americans.

Sincerely,

Sarah Brady, Chair
 
Too bad less than 1% of all guns used in crimes come from gunshows. Yep that really threatens public safety :rolleyes:

And this is what I caught:
Now we need to keep up the momentum and take the next logical step: make sure that everyone who wants to buy a gun gets a background check.
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See. Just like we said (the members of different gun forums and groups) that if they are successful in getting rid of private sales at shows, then they'd start trying to get rid of ALL private sales period EVERYWHERE.
 
Law abiding gun buyers... Have nothing to fear from background checks.
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Yeah, except for a possible unlawful backdoor federal registration scheme to enable uncle Sam to steal my arms one fine day.
 
Background checks are an unconstitutional prior restraint. They are illegal and should be abolished.
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Is that true, possibly, does anyone here actually think that will happen? Even if Parker goes good we will never lose the background checks.
 
I am torn on this. I too am a member of the newsletter list, and I was thinking of posting this as well. On one hand I understand the desire for complete freedom to do whatever you want, but on the other hand I can see a very definite logic and rationality in requiring background checks. It's a lot different from making something illegal because it scares you. There are certain people, that I think we can all agree should probably not have guns.

And it's no different than buying a car and registering it. I'm not sure of the exacts for the analogy, but do you have to have a DL to buy and register a car? Do they do any kind of background check at the DMV to deny a license? Guns can be more dangerous than cars depending on how they are used.

Don't get me wrong, I am a firm believer in RKBA, but I have nothing to hide so I could care less about background checks. I just think that if I pass that check I should be able to buy anything from a single shot .22 to a full auto AK47. Waiting is a bitch tho, but I live in CA so my opinion is biased anyway. How does a FTF transfer work in CA anyway? I probably still have to meet at an FFL.

I just think this is one of the battles that isn't as big of a deal.
 
For goshs sakes, when are the Dems going to quit beating the old "gun show loophole" dead horse?

It doesn't exist!

Everytime I bought a gun at a show I filled out the exact same ATF form, was required to show my CPL for a handgun, and go through the NICS check. The procedure was the exact same as any gun shop.

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Keeleon, I used to think that way... and sometimes still do. When reading the newsletter, I said to myself "yeah, what's so wrong about a background check?"

But then, the saner side of me responded. If people are too dangerous that we should let them have guns, then they shouldn't be walking our streets. IE, incarcerated, or dead.

And as far as "not a big deal..." well, our rights are ebing taken incrementally. First machineguns. Well, not a big deal, you really don't NEED a machinegun. Then SBR/SBS/suppressors. Then, .50 BMG in your state. Armor piercing handgun bullets. Background checks. Mandatory ballistic microstamping. Registration. CONFISCATION. OPPRESSIVE NATION.
 
keelon said "I just think this is one of the battles that isn't as big of a deal".

Each of these "battles" is a big deal if the Brady Bunch has their way in anything gun and ammo related. Just my 2 cents worth.
 
And it's no different than buying a car and registering it. I'm not sure of the exacts for the analogy, but do you have to have a DL to buy and register a car? Do they do any kind of background check at the DMV to deny a license? Guns can be more dangerous than cars depending on how they are used.
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Well, my copy of the Constitution does not mention automobiles.

But, to the best of my knowledge, no, you do NOT need a DL to buy a car. You may not be allowed to drive it off the lot, but I don't recall my dealer asking for my DL.

Buy a car and drive it in your backyard without a license and you're perfectly legal.

Vehicular manslaughter, DWI, DUI, etc are not barriers to purchasing a car. Should they be?

As another poster mentioned, the number of guns used in crimes that were purchased from gun shows is down near 0%. Kinda like "assault rifles" that are used in crimes - down near 0%.

I have less fear of being the victim of a violent crime while at a gun show (or in the parking lot thereof) than at most other places.
 
Never forget the ultimate goal of the Brady bunch. No matter how they try to sugar coat it, these people are socialists/communists and want to create a police state. Welcome to the former Soviet Union. We can't afford to give an inch to these slimballs! :fire:
 
Well, good points guys, it really is kind of a slipepry slope issue, but unfortunately with our prisons being so full of criminals as it is, there is no way we could ever keep all of the undesirables locked up for as long as we need to. That being said, there are plenty of horrible human beings without a criminal record, so what does it actually accomplish. Also, like a convicted felon trying to get a gun to do nefarious deeds with is going to a gun show anyway. I can totally understand the "old guys wanting to stay off the radar", which is why I would never support this, but this particular one isn't something I'd start writing letters over. If yall want to, please do though. :)

Vehicular manslaughter, DWI, DUI, etc are not barriers to purchasing a car. Should they be?
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That is the real crux of the debate isn't it. Anyone should be able to buy any gun they want, and if they are caught USING it without the proper authorization, then they recieve the appropriate punishment. I just LOVE the car analogy when talking to antis.

buying a car without registering = buying a gun without registering = you just can't use it legally
owning a car with no license = owning a gun with no license = should be perfectly legal
driving a car with no license = carrying a gun with no license = should probably be illegal (of course gun licenses should be no harder to get than driver's licenses. If you can pass an easy ass test in one of 1400 languages, you win.)
Run someone over with a car = shoot someone = assault with a deadly weapon. neither is more deadly than the other. And probably more people have been run over when changing their oil then shot while cleaning a gun.
 
Wow, JaxNovice, I hope you wore a biohazard suit and a NATO-approved gasmask when you waded through this pool of toxic slime.

Really, these gun-banners want to do it "every inch of the way". Sure they mention outright gun ban right now, they will meet a lot of negativity not to mention laughter, ridicule and scorn. But they have a new tactic, do it slowly.......Hopefully we might never realize what their real intent is.

I hope the NRA is alerted by this newsletter too.
 
"Now we need to keep up the momentum and take the next logical step: make sure that everyone who wants to buy a gun gets a background check. "

well everyone who says that they are trying not to stop violence but to totally ban firearms by a thousand papercuts is completely right. I already knew that, but this sentence to me is very clearly implying that they are not now nor will they ever be finished. once guns have been banished from our 'civil society' then it will be thoughts of guns, hen people they dislike, then people who look funny...
 
MrAnteater said:
Everytime I bought a gun at a show I filled out the exact same ATF form, was required to show my CPL for a handgun, and go through the NICS check. The procedure was the exact same as any gun shop.
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When buying from a dealer at a gun show, you are required to pass the same background check as you would buying it from a gun shop. What they are talking about is something different.

In a lot of (most?) States, you can buy a gun off of an individual at a gun show (You know, the guys who walk around with signs on their hats/shirts/etc advertising a gun that they are PERSONALLY selling.) with no background check at all... Just like any other (McDonald's parking lot) face-to-face transaction.

I'm all for keeping private sales private. I just wanted to clarify that point.
 
Now we need to keep up the momentum and take the next logical step: make sure that everyone who wants to buy a gun gets a background check.
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I just thought I'd chime in on this line too.

How do they plan on conducting background checks on back-alley, trunk-sale, black-market transactions when some member of the Bloods needs a new piece?

Oh? Criminals don't submit to background checks? OMG! My house of cards is in shambles!
 
When buying from a dealer at a gun show, you are required to pass the same background check as you would buying it from a gun shop. What they are talking about is something different.

In a lot of (most?) States, you can buy a gun off of an individual at a gun show (You know, the guys who walk around with signs on their hats/shirts/etc advertising a gun that they are PERSONALLY selling.) with no background check at all... Just like any other (McDonald's parking lot) face-to-face transaction.

I'm all for keeping private sales private. I just wanted to clarify that point.
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I see your point. The brady bunch, in effect, wants to ban all private sales. I can buy a used long gun off anybody, at a gun show or not, and it's not subject to the NICS check. Handguns are a little different. I would still need a purcahse permit if I didn't have my CPL.
 
but I have nothing to hide so I could care less about background checks.
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"I have nothing to hide, so just walk on in, Mr. Officer, any time you want. Don't bother to knock and ask permission, I have nothing to hide."

Pops
 
wait so becuase of V tech, they are going after gun shows... um he bought the guns in a gun store smart guy...
 
USING it without the proper authorization, then they recieve the appropriate punishment.
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Uh... no. I don't need "proper authorization" to exercise my rights. My "proper authorization" comes from the fact that I am a human being.

Now abusing those rights to deny the rights of others (i.e.: robbing someone with a gun, thereby threatening their right to life and denying them the right to their liberty and property) IS grounds for punishment. Simply exercising them (i.e.: owning/carrying a gun) is not.

but I have nothing to hide so I could care less about background checks.
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As armedandsafe mentioned, it has nothing to do with "having something to hide." It has EVERYTHING to do with your (and my) right to keep and bear arms - a natural right that SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. I don't know how this can be made any clearer. The Bill of rights does not indicate that ANY of our rights are contigent upon a background check, training, or passing a test. Frankly, I find these ideas offensive and I'm not one easily offended by any means.

BTW, it's "couldn't care less." If you could care less, that means that you actually do care to some degree or another.
 
Virginia Tech survivor Lily Habtu joins Senators Lautenberg (NJ) and Reed (RI) at press conference to announce new Senate bill aimed at closing the gun show loophole.
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Didn't the shooter bought the gun at a gun store? I'm pretty sure he did. This is just personal agendas being pushed and Lily is just there for emotional responses.
 
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