Alliant Sport Pistol

[Crazy Horse]

GM,

Finally found some Sport Pistol available and purchased a couple of pounds (they didn't have 4 lb cannisters).

As anyone that has reloaded for awhile knows, if you go to the Alliant website, they only list max charges and stated that you should reduce the load by 10% of max. Well, that does not equate to starting charge. Which to me is a bit frustrating when compared to other powders and literature.

I have Power pistol, which has been around longer. Love the powder, but as others have commented, and as I have found out, it is a LOUD powder. I can always tell when my loads are loaded with Power pistol vs any other powders I used based on sound alone. There's good information on Power pistol, but not so much for Sport pistol.

I have the Speer, Hornady, and Lyman cast book, but data for coated/polymer bullets is sparse. Can anyone direct me to a site or book that would have literature for the following: 9mm and 45acp in particular (mainly 9mm as I love WST for 45 acp, but I'll try it with 45 acp as well)? I have other powders that work well, but Alliant emphasizes Sport pistol as a powder specifically designed for coated and polymer bullets, which is why I want to try it with my coated bullets.

TIA

CH

 

[mrawesome22-250]

Alliant has data for Acme coated bullets in 3 different weights for 9x19.

I don't understand why you can't use that data. They list max loads. Reduce their max loads listed by 10% as a starting point.

Example: 4.7gr SP with a 115gr Acme is the max load 4.7 x .9 = 4.23. 4.2gr will be your starting load.

 

[fxvr5]

Alliant has data for Acme coated bullets in 3 different weights for 9x19.

I don't understand why you can't use that data. They list max loads. Reduce their max loads listed by 10% as a starting point.

Example: 4.7gr SP with a 115gr Acme is the max load 4.7 x .9 = 4.23. 4.2gr will be your starting load.

Yup. Lots of data on Alliant's website.

 

[Erief0g]

Absurdly long post... data from my last vacation. Copy paste from chrony data on iPad.

The rmr data is reference from different guns and my standard load for excellent accuracy and function.

The precision delta info is the beginning of me finding a go to load.

Created: 09/04/20 01:18 PM
Description: 9mm sport pistol 3.9gr 1.075 oal 124 rmr Match winner cz shadow70 degrees tidioute
Notes 1: 70 degrees tidioute
Notes 2:
Distance to Chrono(FT): 10.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 124.00
Temp: N/A °F
BP: N/A inHg
Altitude: 1000.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
11 1023 288.20 126.85
10 1025 289.32 127.10
9 1025 289.32 127.10
8 1015 283.71 125.86
7 1012 282.03 125.49
6 1028 291.02 127.47
5 1011 281.47 125.36
4 1018 285.39 126.23
3 1024 288.76 126.98
2 1034 294.43 128.22
1 1022 287.63 126.73
Average: 1021.5 FPS
SD: 7.0 FPS
Min: 1011 FPS
Max: 1034 FPS
Spread: 23 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.5
True MV: 1022 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00

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Set: 3
Created: 09/04/20 01:22 PM
Description: 9mm sport pistol 3.9gr 1.075 oal rmr 124 match winner cz sp01 ta70 degrees tidioute
Notes 1: 70 degrees tidioute
Notes 2:
Distance to Chrono(FT): 10.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 124.00
Temp: N/A °F
BP: N/A inHg
Altitude: 1000.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
10 1016 284.27 125.98
9 1005 278.14 124.62
8 1032 293.29 127.97
7 1037 296.14 128.59
6 1023 288.20 126.85
5 1024 288.76 126.98
4 1012 282.03 125.49
3 1038 296.71 128.71
2 1006 278.70 124.74
1 1007 279.25 124.87
Average: 1020.0 FPS
SD: 12.7 FPS
Min: 1005 FPS
Max: 1038 FPS
Spread: 33 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.5
True MV: 1021 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00

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Set: 4
Created: 09/04/20 01:24 PM
Description: 9mm sport pistol 3.9gr 1.075 oal RMR 124 match winner xds 4 inch70 degrees tidioute
Notes 1: 70 degrees tidioute
Notes 2:
Distance to Chrono(FT): 10.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 124.00
Temp: N/A °F
BP: N/A inHg
Altitude: 1000.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
10 1021 287.07 126.60
9 1017 284.83 126.11
8 1021 287.07 126.60
7 1001 275.93 124.12
6 1021 287.07 126.60
5 1019 285.95 126.36
4 1040 297.85 128.96
3 1017 284.83 126.11
2 1021 287.07 126.60
1 1010 280.92 125.24
Average: 1018.8 FPS
SD: 9.8 FPS
Min: 1001 FPS
Max: 1040 FPS
Spread: 39 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.6
True MV: 1020 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00

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Set: 6
Created: 09/04/20 01:32 PM
Description: 9mm sport pistol 3.9gr 1.075 oal RMR 124 MATCH WINNER hk vp9
Notes 1: 70 degrees tidioute
Notes 2:
Distance to Chrono(FT): 10.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 124.00
Temp: N/A °F
BP: N/A inHg
Altitude: 1000.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
10 1033 293.86 128.09
9 1021 287.07 126.60
8 1031 292.72 127.84
7 1045 300.73 129.58
6 1042 299.00 129.21
5 1036 295.57 128.46
4 1046 301.30 129.70
3 1040 297.85 128.96
2 1037 296.14 128.59
1 1014 283.15 125.74
Average: 1034.5 FPS
SD: 10.3 FPS
Min: 1014 FPS
Max: 1046 FPS
Spread: 32 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.5
True MV: 1035 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00

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Set: 7
Created: 09/04/20 01:39 PM
Description: precision delta 124JHP sport pistol 3.8 grain cz sp01 tac
Notes 1:
Notes 2:
Distance to Chrono(FT): 10.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 124.00
Temp: N/A °F
BP: N/A inHg
Altitude: 1000.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
5 1016 284.27 125.98
4 1029 291.59 127.60
3 1010 280.92 125.24
2 1017 284.83 126.11
1 1012 282.03 125.49
Average: 1016.8 FPS
SD: 7.4 FPS
Min: 1010 FPS
Max: 1029 FPS
Spread: 19 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.6
True MV: 1018 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00

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Set: 8
Created: 09/04/20 01:40 PM
Description: precision delta 124JHP sport pistol 3.9 grain cz sp01 tac
Notes 1:
Notes 2:
Distance to Chrono(FT): 10.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 124.00
Temp: N/A °F
BP: N/A inHg
Altitude: 1000.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
5 1041 298.43 129.08
4 1040 297.85 128.96
3 1059 308.84 131.32
2 1042 299.00 129.21
1 1027 290.45 127.35
Average: 1041.8 FPS
SD: 11.4 FPS
Min: 1027 FPS
Max: 1059 FPS
Spread: 32 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.7
True MV: 1043 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00

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Set: 9
Created: 09/04/20 01:41 PM
Description: precision delta 124JHP sport pistol 4.0 grain cz sp01 tac
Notes 1:
Notes 2:
Distance to Chrono(FT): 10.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 124.00
Temp: N/A °F
BP: N/A inHg
Altitude: 1000.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
5 1065 312.35 132.06
4 1056 307.09 130.94
3 1055 306.51 130.82
2 1045 300.73 129.58
1 1031 292.72 127.84
Average: 1050.4 FPS
SD: 13.0 FPS
Min: 1031 FPS
Max: 1065 FPS
Spread: 34 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.5
True MV: 1051 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00

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Set: 10
Created: 09/04/20 01:42 PM
Description: precision delta 124JHP sport pistol 4.1 grain cz sp01 tac
Notes 1:
Notes 2:
Distance to Chrono(FT): 10.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 124.00
Temp: N/A °F
BP: N/A inHg
Altitude: 1000.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
5 1074 317.65 133.18
4 1058 308.25 131.19
3 1065 312.35 132.06
2 1071 315.88 132.80
1 1067 313.52 132.31
Average: 1067.0 FPS
SD: 6.1 FPS
Min: 1058 FPS
Max: 1074 FPS
Spread: 16 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.6
True MV: 1068 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00

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Set: 11
Created: 09/04/20 01:43 PM
Description: precision delta 124JHP sport pistol 4.2 grain cz sp01 tac
Notes 1:
Notes 2:
Distance to Chrono(FT): 10.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 124.00
Temp: N/A °F
BP: N/A inHg
Altitude: 1000.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
5 1072 316.47 132.93
4 1076 318.83 133.42
3 1082 322.40 134.17
2 1096 330.79 135.90
1 1079 320.61 133.80
Average: 1081.0 FPS
SD: 9.2 FPS
Min: 1072 FPS
Max: 1096 FPS
Spread: 24 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.6
True MV: 1082 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00

 

[kmw1954]

My experience says that it is going to be near impossible to find any published load data for coated bullets. Neither Speer, Hornady or Lyman give any support for coating bullets in their books and as of yet as far as I know have not begun to even look into it as far as load development.. Also none of the large commercial manufacturers have started supplying coated bullets to the market so they will not develop loads either. So w/o support from any of them I doubt the powder manufacturers will do it on their own. At least this is my personal opinion.

I would treat the coated bullets as cast as on even the powder manufacturers in their data do not discern themselves with bullet maker. Just caliber, weight and profile. And we all know that in pistol bullets there are many different profiles for the same weight bullets.

 

[Jim Watson]

As anyone that has reloaded for awhile knows, if you go to the Alliant website, they only list max charges and stated that you should reduce the load by 10% of max. Well, that does not equate to starting charge.

Do tell, why not? I looked on the Hodgdon site and most of their "Starting Loads" are at or near 90% of the maximum, with a lot of rounding down of two significant figure data. Why they start Longshot in 9mm at a 17% reduction, I don't know. And don't much care, I would not go that far afield except in extreme shortages.

There is getting to be some data specific to coated bullets but a "recipe hunt" may not be productive in the present panic, you have to take what you can get. I treat them like cast and adjust by chronograph. I only use coated (or plated) bullets in Power Factor loads for IDPA and USPSA so I have a built in safety margin. When I want to simulate my JHP defense ammo, I buy some JHPs and load carefully.

 

[dcarr]

My experience says that it is going to be near impossible to find any published load data for coated bullets. Neither Speer, Hornady or Lyman give any support for coating bullets in their books and as of yet as far as I know have not begun to even look into it as far as load development.. Also none of the large commercial manufacturers have started supplying coated bullets to the market so they will not develop loads either. So w/o support from any of them I doubt the powder manufacturers will do it on their own. At least this is my personal opinion.

I would treat the coated bullets as cast as on even the powder manufacturers in their data do not discern themselves with bullet maker. Just caliber, weight and profile. And we all know that in pistol bullets there are many different profiles for the same weight bullets.

I've just started shooting Acme and Eggleston bullets in last week or so, a little info on the Eggleston site but nothing matching what I think I need, in other words I suspect you are correct.

 

[LiveLife]

Sport Pistol ... Alliant website, they only list max charges and stated that you should reduce the load by 10% of max. Well, that does not equate to starting charge. Which to me is a bit frustrating when compared to other powders and literature.

Speer load data provides start charges for even newer Alliant Powers - https://www.speer.com/reloading/handgun-data.html

9mm and 45acp in particular ... specifically designed for coated and polymer bullets

I have used lead load data with powder coated and Hi-Tek coated bullets with good results and Speer has lead load data with start charges for Alliant powders. Absent lead load data, I would reference load data for TMJ which is thick plated RN for my load development and powder work up for coated bullets.

9mm 125 gr Lead RN - https://reloading-data.speer-ammo.c...gun/9mm_caliber_355-366_dia/9mm_Luger_125.pdf

• 9mm 115 gr TMJ/RN Sport Pistol OAL 1.135" Start 4.0 gr (1029 fps) - Max 4.5 gr (1115 fps)

• 9mm 124 gr TMJ/RN Sport Pistol OAL 1.135" Start 3.8 gr (984 fps) - Max 4.3 gr (1067 fps)

• 9mm 147 gr TMJ/FN Sport Pistol OAL 1.130" Start 3.2 gr (820 fps) - Max 3.6 gr (890 fps)

Alliant website shows lead load data and 10% reduction is on par with Speer load data start/max charges - https://www.alliantpowder.com/reloa...wderlist.aspx&type=1&powderid=42&cartridge=23

• 9mm 115 gr Acme RN-NLG coated Sport Pistol OAL 1.120" (10% reduction is 4.2 gr but I would use 4.0 gr Speer start) - Max 4.7 gr (1,170 fps)

• 9mm 124 gr Acme RN-NLG coated Sport Pistol OAL 1.050" (This is shorter rounder nose profile that I usually need to seat shorter to 1.080" to plunk - 10% reduction is 3.5 gr as start charge) - Max 3.9 gr (1066 fps)

• 9mm 125 gr Lead RN Sport Pistol OAL 1.120" (10% reduction is 3.8 gr as start charge) - Max 4.2 gr (1108 fps)

• 9mm 145 gr Acme RN-NLG coated Sport Pistol OAL 1.100" (10% reduction is 3.1 gr as start charge) - Max 3.5 gr (949 fps)

45ACP 200 gr Lead SWC - https://reloading-data.speer-ammo.c...n/45_caliber_451-454_dia/45_Auto_200_LSWC.pdf

• There's no lead load data for Sport Pistol but you can reference lead load data for heavier 230 gr LRN

45ACP 230 gr Lead RN - https://reloading-data.speer-ammo.c...un/45_caliber_451-454_dia/45_Auto_230_LRN.pdf

• 45ACP 230 gr Lead RN Sport Pistol OAL 1.240" Start 4.4 gr (777 fps) - Max 5.6 gr (919 fps)

 

[Skgreen]

"Use lead starting loads" is often suggested by coated Manufacturers.
No real reason to make it too difficult.

 

[higgite]

As anyone that has reloaded for awhile knows, if you go to the Alliant website, they only list max charges and stated that you should reduce the load by 10% of max. Well, that does not equate to starting charge.

This from Alliant's website (Boldface emphasis by Alliant, not by me).....

REDUCE RIFLE AND HANDGUN CHARGE WEIGHTS BY 10% TO ESTABLISH A STARTING LOAD.

It doesn't get any plainer than that.

 

[Dudedog]

From Alliant



Max loads shown, reduce 10% to start per Alliant

 

[Crazy Horse]

I don't understand why you can't use that data. They list max loads. Reduce their max loads listed by 10% as a starting point.

Example: 4.7gr SP with a 115gr Acme is the max load 4.7 x .9 = 4.23. 4.2gr will be your starting load.[/QUOTE]
I have read as others have posted, that reducing the load by 10% is not the starting load. I agree that the reduction by that percentage is not the starting load. What I can't understand is why alliant will not publish a starting load like all the other references out there.

Alliant has data for Acme coated bullets in 3 different weights for 9x19.

I have seen Alliant's information on acme bullets, but I don't typically start at the max or mid levels. I start at the beginning charge and work my way up. Not look at the Max and work my way down. To me it seems the safer alternative.

The 4.2 grains you mentioned is consistent to what I've seen when coming them to power pistol as power pistol charges are always higher when compared to power pistol's figures. What I have read on power pistol loading data for speer shows 4.7 as the minimum charge. So one could surmise that 4.2 would be the minimum charge when using sport pistol (as Livelife mentioned later in the posts)

I can use that data (start at 10% below Max), but as hodgon and every bullet maker published starting loads, I don't understand why Alliant cannot do the same. I have experimented and know how to calculate, but it's nice to have your left and right (min-max)limits.

It's not too much to ask a powder manufacturer to publish starting data. Stating to start at 10% below max charge gives an indication that a charge could go lower-without risking a squib. Additionally, adding velocity is good as a reference, Unfortunately I don't have a chronograph, so having a reference speed in the starting charge figure is also helpful.

Using 4.2 which is 10% below Alliant's max charge is consistent with the Speer published min load for power pistol at 4.7 grains - typically Sport Pistol is +-1 grain- which is my preferred load for ACME 125gr 9mm bullets. That's is in the ballpark.

Livelife, thanks for the reference on additional Speer resources. I forgot that in addition to Speer's 10th Edition book, they do have data on the internet. I hadn't thought of comparing Speer's charges with other powders for verification of mins against 10%.

And yes Higgite, I did read and reference in my OP about the 10%, it is PLAIN, but it's not the minimum charge. It is the STARTING load.

Thx

CH

 

[LiveLife]

why alliant will not publish a starting load like all the other references out there.

If you call/email Alliant, they will provide you with start loads.

But we just saved you a phone call and provided usable start charges.

 

[Crazy Horse]

If you call/email Alliant, they will provide you with start loads.

But we just saved you a phone call and provided usable start charges.

. THX. I had read that Alliant will respond after a few days, but I figured someone in THR had already done some testing for Sport Pistol I still have about 2 of the 4lbs of Power pistol. If Sport Pistol works just as well minus the loudness that Power pistol has been giving, It may be my goto for 9mm. If not, I'll stick with Sport pistol. It's a very good powder; meters well, consistent, and ball type so it's not messy. The only drawback is how loud it is. I had read others mention that it was louder and didn't think that could be, but yep, it is by far the loudest powder I've used.



CH

 

[fxvr5]

Sport Pistol seemed to produce good accuracy in this article:
https://www.shootingtimes.com/editorial/alliant-sport-pistol-powder/99181

 

[Crazy Horse]

Speer load data provides start charges for even newer Alliant Powers - https://www.speer.com/reloading/handgun-data.html


I have used lead load data with powder coated and Hi-Tek coated bullets with good results and Speer has lead load data with start charges for Alliant powders. Absent lead load data, I would reference load data for TMJ which is thick plated RN for my load development and powder work up for coated bullets.

9mm 125 gr Lead RN - https://reloading-data.speer-ammo.c...gun/9mm_caliber_355-366_dia/9mm_Luger_125.pdf

• 9mm 115 gr TMJ/RN Sport Pistol OAL 1.135" Start 4.0 gr (1029 fps) - Max 4.5 gr (1115 fps)

• 9mm 124 gr TMJ/RN Sport Pistol OAL 1.135" Start 3.8 gr (984 fps) - Max 4.3 gr (1067 fps)

• 9mm 147 gr TMJ/FN Sport Pistol OAL 1.130" Start 3.2 gr (820 fps) - Max 3.6 gr (890 fps)

Alliant website shows lead load data and 10% reduction is on par with Speer load data start/max charges - https://www.alliantpowder.com/reloa...wderlist.aspx&type=1&powderid=42&cartridge=23

• 9mm 115 gr Acme RN-NLG coated Sport Pistol OAL 1.120" (10% reduction is 4.2 gr but I would use 4.0 gr Speer start) - Max 4.7 gr (1,170 fps)

• 9mm 124 gr Acme RN-NLG coated Sport Pistol OAL 1.050" (This is shorter rounder nose profile that I usually need to seat shorter to 1.080" to plunk - 10% reduction is 3.5 gr as start charge) - Max 3.9 gr (1066 fps)

• 9mm 125 gr Lead RN Sport Pistol OAL 1.120" (10% reduction is 3.8 gr as start charge) - Max 4.2 gr (1108 fps)

• 9mm 145 gr Acme RN-NLG coated Sport Pistol OAL 1.100" (10% reduction is 3.1 gr as start charge) - Max 3.5 gr (949 fps)

45ACP 200 gr Lead SWC - https://reloading-data.speer-ammo.c...n/45_caliber_451-454_dia/45_Auto_200_LSWC.pdf

• There's no lead load data for Sport Pistol but you can reference lead load data for heavier 230 gr LRN

45ACP 230 gr Lead RN - https://reloading-data.speer-ammo.c...un/45_caliber_451-454_dia/45_Auto_230_LRN.pdf

• 45ACP 230 gr Lead RN Sport Pistol OAL 1.240" Start 4.4 gr (777 fps) - Max 5.6 gr (919 fps)

I have used plated and tmj data when using the 124 and 125 LRN bullets from ACME with excellent results. I use 4.7 grains of power pistol (TMJ figures}, so 3.5 sounds about right -consistent with the differences in comparison to power pistol.

The plus side is the charge is lower.

Hopefully the sounds of sorry pistol will not be as lots as power pistol.

Have you used power pistol? If so how does sport pistol compare in terms of recoil, accuracy, and noise?

Thx

CH

 

[Dudedog]

Power Pistol is a bit loud and flashy, Longshot is LOUD and flashy
Sport Pistol does not seem as loud or flashy as PP.
Accuracy in my tests was good. As far as recoil a MAX load of Sport Pistol will have less recoil than a MAX load of PP because the PP load will have a higher vel
and be burning more powder if you want to figure in ejected powder mass.

 

[Crazy Horse]

Power Pistol is a bit loud and flashy, Longshot is LOUD and flashy
Sport Pistol does not seem as loud or flashy as PP.
Accuracy in my tests was good. As far as recoil a MAX load of Sport Pistol will have less recoil than a MAX load of PP because the PP load will have a higher vel
and be burning more powder if you want to figure in ejected powder mass.

Funny, when I first inquired about Power Pistol, folks responding kept saying "Loud," that really didn't translate and I figured-"Well yeah, there should be a boom when the bullet is fired," Now I know what they meant. Love the performance aspect of it, but I tend to shoot more on indoor ranges than outdoor ranges. Yeah, it makes a difference. Oddly enough, I attended a match and used reloads I had created using PP. When firing outside, it doesn't seem as loud. Still, there's no denying, Power pistol is loud. Since you mentioned longshot being loud, I may just steer clear of it.

It's good to hear about max loads with Sport pistol, I've gotten used to Power Pistol, and one thing I do appreciate about PP is that the recoil is not harsh, but you know it's there. I'm no recoil junkie, but I get a bit concerned if there isn't any recoil at all -like concerned about a squib.

THX

CH

 

[mrawesome22-250]

If you like power pistol you'll love BE-86. It's basically power pistol but has flash suppresant added to it which does a great job of taming the flash and boom to a much more reasonable level.

 

[lordpaxman]

As anyone that has reloaded for awhile knows, if you go to the Alliant website, they only list max charges and stated that you should reduce the load by 10% of max. Well, that does not equate to starting charge. Which to me is a bit frustrating when compared to other powders and literature.

I’m still trying to figure out if you grok the “reduce max by 10%” as a starting load. It works fine, at least it’s worked for me for the various Alliant powders I use.
SP has become one of my staples for 9mm competition loads. It’s edged out N320 although it has a bit more smoke and is less clean than N320, in my gun. I favor the 147 coated or RMRs using it and the consistency is crazy good, Crazy Horse.... At the last chrono stage at a match they clocked 902, 902, 899. I’m going to re-evaluate the load and perhaps lighten it just a bit.
I do have some BE86 unopened that I plan to try but that’s a winter project at this point. Good luck!

 

[Crazy Horse]

I’m still trying to figure out if you grok the “reduce max by 10%” as a starting load. It works fine, at least it’s worked for me for the various Alliant powders I use.
SP has become one of my staples for 9mm competition loads. It’s edged out N320 although it has a bit more smoke and is less clean than N320, in my gun. I favor the 147 coated or RMRs using it and the consistency is crazy good, Crazy Horse.... At the last chrono stage at a match they clocked 902, 902, 899. I’m going to re-evaluate the load and perhaps lighten it just a bit.
I do have some BE86 unopened that I plan to try but that’s a winter project at this point. Good luck!

THX. LIvelife recommended, to start out with 3.8 (reducing by 10%) with a max of 4.2. I'll be looking at starting out at 4.0 to keep me around the 1000-1050 range. For 147's I haven't looked at that yet. I have a few RMR 147gr jacketed RMR bullets, but will probably use my ACME 147gr FP coated bullets as I have more of those in my stock.

Quick question, you mentioned that Sport Pistol is smoky and less clean? is that across all different 9mm loads? I have some BE-86 as well that I haven't taken out, was hoping Sport Pistol functioned similarly to Power Pistol minus the noise. However, I like clean casings once fired as I have experience with WST in the 45acp. If Sport Pistol isn't conducive to producing clean expended cases, I may just break out BE-86 sooner and give it a try.

CH

 

[Dudedog]

Quick question, you mentioned that Sport Pistol is smoky and less clean?

I think the poster was saying compared to VV N320.

SP is pretty clean IMO, maybe just not quite as clean as N320. (which is very clean)

Funny, when I first inquired about Power Pistol, folks responding kept saying "Loud," that really didn't translate and I figured-"Well yeah, there should be a boom when the bullet is fired," Now I know what they meant

I first tried Longshot in 9mm in the last shortage because it was all I could get that had listed loads for 9mm. Worked well at the high side of it's charge range ( and gave good vels) but the whole time I was scratching my head going how can it be so much louder than powders X,Y and Z!

 

[Crazy Horse]

I think the poster was saying compared to VV N320.

SP is pretty clean IMO, maybe just not quite as clean as N320. (which is very clean)




I first tried Longshot in 9mm in the last shortage because it was all I could get that had listed loads for 9mm. Worked well at the high side of it's charge range ( and gave good vels) but the whole time I was scratching my head going how can it be so much louder than powders X,Y and Z!

Man, they had some VV 320 in stock, was seriously considering it based on a recommendation from someone in the forum. Had nothing but good things to say about it. If it's that clean and Sport pistol doesn't tickly my fancy, It'll be my next powder.

 

[Dudedog]

N320 works great in .45 and shot well for me in 9mm.
Very clean in both. One thing to be aware of is N320 in 9mm is best for practice/target/match ammo, it's burn speed is a little fast for top vels in 9mm.

 

[Dudedog]

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