danez71
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I doubt ANYone here, except you, thinks he's a liar.
I wonder if that comment should be considered enough icing on the cake of your other comments to earn, imo, deserved time out.
Almost bought a Camp Carbine
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I doubt ANYone here, except you, thinks he's a liar.
I wonder if that comment should be considered enough icing on the cake of your other comments to earn, imo, deserved time out.
danez71
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That's close to NIB pricing.
There aren't a lot of review of them but take comfort in that they are almost all bad. Reliability issues in 90+% of the reviews I found.
'Thank you Ruger' for putting out the PCC.
Charlie98
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Not a big fan of Ruger stuff, and not real excited about the Ruger PCC. I would actually give it a look if they made a straight up version, not a takedown, and modeled it after the 44 Carbine/10-22, et al. Essentially, a new version of the Marlin...
someguy2800
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I'm kind of confused why they haven't, seems to me that it would be a very easy thing to do and would probably cost less to make while still being able to sell it for the same price. I think they are pretty much maxed out on capacity to make them as they are rarely in stock, but maybe when the sales start to slow down they will put some effort in it. Same for adding some more calibers.
Charlie98
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Welllll.... I've always thought a 'Camp Carbine' type rifle in 10mm would be the hot ticket.
Skylerbone
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Fixed it for ya
Just think; you start with Camp 9, add the 45, run into a T/C R55 and you’ll have more humpbacks than a Japanese “fishing” boat.
Elkins45
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The Ruger PCC will almost certainly have a negative impact on used Camp 9 prices. Why would you pay $800 for one when you can buy a new Ruger for $500? The only reason I can think of is if you are in a ban state and have a giant pile of grandfathered 59 series magazines. Or maybe if it’s an “off list” gun.
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It’s fine that you didn't like the Camps, to each his own. However I am puzzled by the comments about the sights. Most all carbines have “basic” factory sights, Marlin levers, Ruger 10/22, etc. For the record they are easy to replace with “alternative” sights - scope, red dot, aperature, all they need is a cheap Weaver rail mount. No different than most any other carbine in that regard.
FWIW I’ve had my M45 for almost twenty years and still enjoy shooting it. Marlin did mess up with the buffer, and it is undersprung especially if +P ammo is used. I replaced both in my Camp (these parts are still readily available) and now after over 1000 rounds it still shoots like new. I screwed on a rail mount and have used scopes and red dot sights just fine. Even put it in a Choate stock to protect the original woodie - and yes, complete M45s in good condition sell for $800 verses the $295 I paid for mine.
This thread has stimulated me into taking the M45 out to the range today for a workout!
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simple, anything to tear it down
ThomasT
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I have one of the original Hi-Point rifles and they are good shooters too. But you have to take the gun all the way apart to clean it. If you want a 9mm carbine they are a good choice. The Marlin for me is what I would want from a 30 Carbine without the ammo expense.
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GunnyUSMC
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Who would pay $300 for a 91/30 Mosin? If you can answer that question then the question of who would pay $500 or more fore a Marlin Camp 9 would be easy to answer.
Have you seen the price on the old Ruger PC9 Carbines? they aren't giving those away.
I remember when the Camp 9 and the old Ruger PC9 were both out on the gun racks. The Ruger was heavy and the Camp 9 sold better. The new Ruger carbine is nice, but if you put it side by side with the Camp 9, the camp 9 feels so much better.
I much prefer my AR 9 so, I will not be buying the Camp 9.
someguy2800
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I think the camp carbines have already taken a hit on market price since the ruger came out looking at prices on gunbroker. They will surely come back up again so if a guy wants one this is probably the time. They are cranking out the ruger's in pretty big numbers. I'm curious to know how many camp 9's were made in total vs how many of the ruger's have been made since release.
300 you found a cheapie. I don't know how long I have been on the hunt for a correct 91 american....not the 91/30 but the original pattern....to say I am comin to join you Elizabeth is an understatement.
(wonder how many children will get that reference)
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GunnyUSMC
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I think Fred already made it to Elizabeth.
I have ten M19s in my collection.
Janos Dracwlya
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I have a Camp 9 I bought from a friend years ago. I think I paid $350, and it came with a couple of extra magazines and a couple of boxes of premium hollow-point ammunition, plus a cheap scope. I put an Ultradot red-dot scope on it, and my wife and I can both consistently put shots into the eye of a zombie target at 10 yards. The friend who had it before me made a buffer for it that continues to function just fine. I love it, and it sits in the closet with that red-dot and a flashlight on it for emergencies. 20 round MecGar magazines are still easy to get for it, and I have half a dozen.
entropy
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Numrich should have them; They are a PITA to work on. I had to replace the triggerhousing/mag assy. on my BIL's, it was not fun work. They only reward was he gave me 200 rounds to test fire it with after I was done. That price is a steal! If it's still there, go back, Gunny! My BIL bought his when he wanted a rifle for a home defense gun. The only thing they had the was my sister's 1100. He called me saying, "I'm thinking of getting a Remington 7400 .30-06 for a home defense rifle. (Your sister) says your deer gun was a really good gun." I spent about an hour talking him out the idea, and into a 9mm Camp Carbine. He fortunately listened to me, and bought one, and a Leupold 2-7 for it. (My Dad convinced him on that.) I mounted the Leupold on it and we went out and sighted it in. Even he with his Air Force BRM training, (This is an M16. You will see soldiers boarding your aircraft with these.) he was able to keep it in 6" at 100 yards.
He and my sister have since got CCW's, he carries a G19, she an S&W 642, but they still have that Camp Carbine. A bonus for him was when I sold my Kel-Tec Sub2000, he got all the extra S&W mags.
I will verify that. That is why I had to repair my bother-in-law's. Yes, I meant to type bother-in-law.
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danez71
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I can understand why people wouldn't be excited about Ruger's PCC when I look at it objectively... and even subjectively,,, it's really not very attractive even when compared to the 10/22 TD.
But since pistol grip rifles arent my thing, its like Christmas came early.
If they made a strait version with a wood stock I'd buy that too.
I wish someone would make a mag fed 9mm bolt action. Id buy it.
someguy2800
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I would like a 9mm lever action, and a 9mm browning T bolt.
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The Camps are not for everyone. I love mine, YMMV.
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danez71
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I think 9mm needs to keep in a box mag and not a tube due to increased potential of set back.
I'd love a 9mm lever too but I wouldn't want a box mag fed lever action.
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I'd like the idea of a non traditional design in a lever action box fed PCC. Although, that would likely just be a Ruger PCC with a lever on it, such as a new version of a Ruger 96.
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GunnyUSMC
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Here you go.
http://www.specialinterestarms.com/index.php?page=novem
Aklys Defence has one in there shop. My son fell in love with it.
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