Almost complete info: travel w/handgun non-chl thru TX,AR,TN,VA,MD,NJ,NY,CT,MA,PA&RI.
Still need: DE, NJ, PA & RI
repost of old thread to shorten it up. Big thanks due to all contributors! here's the story.
A friend who DOES NOT have a Carry Permit in any state is planning a driving trip. Her itinerary takes her as follows; needing info on states on this list with blanks after their entry:
TX: while still in Texas; just can’t OPEN carry anywhere (except her domicile); and can’t concealed carry anywhere EXCEPT: going from her domicile directly to vehicle or vehicle directly to domicile, in her domicile, in her vehicle, and going directly say from the range to her car or vice versa with no detours. She can also hide a handgun anywhere in her vehicle (except where a minor can get at it).
AR: Must inform police in Arkansas when 'on a journey' when carrying a weapon. You may carry the handgun openly or concealed -in the vehicle, not in public- without a license
Pursuant to section 5-73-120(c), it is a defense to prosecution under section 5-73-120 that at the time of the act of carrying a handgun, the person is:
In his or her own dwelling, place of business (excluding a "vehicular business" such as a taxi cab or other motor vehicle used for commercial purposes; see Boston v. State, 952 S.W.2d 671 (Ark. 1997)), or on property in which he or she has a possessory or proprietary interest;
Carrying a weapon when upon a journey, unless the journey is through a commercial airport when presenting at the security checkpoint in the airport or is in the person's checked baggage and is not a lawfully declared weapon (see Riggins v. State, 703 S.W.2d 463, 464 (Ark. Ct. App. 1986), "[a] journey has long been defined as 'where one travels a distance from home sufficient to carry him beyond the circle of his neighbors and general acquaintances and outside of the routine of his daily business...'" (citations omitted));
Have a safe trip passing through Arkansas, keep your handgun concealed to avoid any unexpected delay and you'll have to unload it before crossing into TN to be in compliance with TN law. you need a license/permit anytime, journey or not, to carry a handgun in public (TN continues next section)
TN: Your friend is legal in TN with her handgun unloaded, with ammo separate from the gun, say in the trunk in her luggage. You could unload before crossing one of the bridges into Memphis from West Memphis (do that at daylight or very well light area with lots of people because West Memphis is rough). A good safe place is the Hwy 118 exit..there is a Dairy Queen and Huddle House open until 10PM...if later next exit east will have a Wal Mart and well lit gas stations in West Memphis. Don't stop anywhere in Memphis city limits alone with an unloaded gun, if you don't know the area. You can have a loaded gun in your hotel room because it is your 'residence' in TN. Safe places east of Memphis for a woman to stop for gas are the Canada Rd/Lakeland, TN Exit and the Hwy 385/Airline Road Exit that is in Arlington, TN. Lakeland and Arlington are both safe suburbs outside Memphis. I'm assuming your friend will be traveling on Interstate 40 if she's passing from TX, AR, and TN.
VA: Open carry on person legal; plain view in car legal, FOPA in car legal but otherwise not concealed anywhere (person nor car). No duty to inform, OC (in car also) legal. Starting July 1st, carry in UNLOCKED glove box legal. Since OC legal (in car also), no need for separation of ammo, magazines, etc.
Any info on VA domicile(hotel)?
MD: Well, I used to live in MD myself. I remember: unloaded, locked in trunk. Ammo seperate and NOT loaded into magazines, and also locked up out of accessibility range. Basically, OK to transport; not to carry. When in your home/business, you are OK.
In MD, you can't even drive around sightseeing or shopping FOPA-style; only to and from home, range, repair shop, or business; and then only FOPA-style!
MD hotel room OK.
Easier to get an antique handgun (not an option for her right now, but maybe someone else can use it!)
DE:
NJ:
NY: Check out NY very closley. I believe once you cross their border with a handgun and no permit you're toast if they find it.
1) Travel there only under the guidelines in FOPA and
2) Never consent to any search so they won't find it anyway. (*below for FOPA rules)
OK, there HAS to be a way to at least TRANSPORT a handgun through NY. Unloaded, locked in trunk, seperate from ammo?
CT: FOPA-style only (i.e. Unloaded, locked in trunk, seperate from ammo )
MA:no legal transport of any kind possible unless going someplace where it is legal to posess it; which for an out of state resident is NOWHERE.
So, SAFEST but still not legal is FOPA and the sine que non is : dont get caught. (just like NY)
PA:
RI: (not sure what state she is entering RI from)
Still a few more states to fill in. Thanks in advance! You'all have been very helpful!
(*): FOPA Guidelines:1986 Firearms Owners Protection Act (FOPA), also known as the Mcclure-Volkmer act. TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 44 > § 926A
§ 926A. Interstate transportation of firearms
Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any person who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm if, during such transportation the firearm is unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition being transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from the passenger compartment of such transporting vehicle: Provided, That in the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver’s compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console.
C-
p.s. everyone who posted at the old thread; "You guys are awesome!" says she. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=519603
Still need: DE, NJ, PA & RI
repost of old thread to shorten it up. Big thanks due to all contributors! here's the story.
A friend who DOES NOT have a Carry Permit in any state is planning a driving trip. Her itinerary takes her as follows; needing info on states on this list with blanks after their entry:
TX: while still in Texas; just can’t OPEN carry anywhere (except her domicile); and can’t concealed carry anywhere EXCEPT: going from her domicile directly to vehicle or vehicle directly to domicile, in her domicile, in her vehicle, and going directly say from the range to her car or vice versa with no detours. She can also hide a handgun anywhere in her vehicle (except where a minor can get at it).
AR: Must inform police in Arkansas when 'on a journey' when carrying a weapon. You may carry the handgun openly or concealed -in the vehicle, not in public- without a license
Pursuant to section 5-73-120(c), it is a defense to prosecution under section 5-73-120 that at the time of the act of carrying a handgun, the person is:
In his or her own dwelling, place of business (excluding a "vehicular business" such as a taxi cab or other motor vehicle used for commercial purposes; see Boston v. State, 952 S.W.2d 671 (Ark. 1997)), or on property in which he or she has a possessory or proprietary interest;
Carrying a weapon when upon a journey, unless the journey is through a commercial airport when presenting at the security checkpoint in the airport or is in the person's checked baggage and is not a lawfully declared weapon (see Riggins v. State, 703 S.W.2d 463, 464 (Ark. Ct. App. 1986), "[a] journey has long been defined as 'where one travels a distance from home sufficient to carry him beyond the circle of his neighbors and general acquaintances and outside of the routine of his daily business...'" (citations omitted));
Have a safe trip passing through Arkansas, keep your handgun concealed to avoid any unexpected delay and you'll have to unload it before crossing into TN to be in compliance with TN law. you need a license/permit anytime, journey or not, to carry a handgun in public (TN continues next section)
TN: Your friend is legal in TN with her handgun unloaded, with ammo separate from the gun, say in the trunk in her luggage. You could unload before crossing one of the bridges into Memphis from West Memphis (do that at daylight or very well light area with lots of people because West Memphis is rough). A good safe place is the Hwy 118 exit..there is a Dairy Queen and Huddle House open until 10PM...if later next exit east will have a Wal Mart and well lit gas stations in West Memphis. Don't stop anywhere in Memphis city limits alone with an unloaded gun, if you don't know the area. You can have a loaded gun in your hotel room because it is your 'residence' in TN. Safe places east of Memphis for a woman to stop for gas are the Canada Rd/Lakeland, TN Exit and the Hwy 385/Airline Road Exit that is in Arlington, TN. Lakeland and Arlington are both safe suburbs outside Memphis. I'm assuming your friend will be traveling on Interstate 40 if she's passing from TX, AR, and TN.
VA: Open carry on person legal; plain view in car legal, FOPA in car legal but otherwise not concealed anywhere (person nor car). No duty to inform, OC (in car also) legal. Starting July 1st, carry in UNLOCKED glove box legal. Since OC legal (in car also), no need for separation of ammo, magazines, etc.
Any info on VA domicile(hotel)?
MD: Well, I used to live in MD myself. I remember: unloaded, locked in trunk. Ammo seperate and NOT loaded into magazines, and also locked up out of accessibility range. Basically, OK to transport; not to carry. When in your home/business, you are OK.
In MD, you can't even drive around sightseeing or shopping FOPA-style; only to and from home, range, repair shop, or business; and then only FOPA-style!
MD hotel room OK.
Easier to get an antique handgun (not an option for her right now, but maybe someone else can use it!)
DE:
NJ:
NY: Check out NY very closley. I believe once you cross their border with a handgun and no permit you're toast if they find it.
1) Travel there only under the guidelines in FOPA and
2) Never consent to any search so they won't find it anyway. (*below for FOPA rules)
OK, there HAS to be a way to at least TRANSPORT a handgun through NY. Unloaded, locked in trunk, seperate from ammo?
CT: FOPA-style only (i.e. Unloaded, locked in trunk, seperate from ammo )
MA:no legal transport of any kind possible unless going someplace where it is legal to posess it; which for an out of state resident is NOWHERE.
So, SAFEST but still not legal is FOPA and the sine que non is : dont get caught. (just like NY)
PA:
RI: (not sure what state she is entering RI from)
Still a few more states to fill in. Thanks in advance! You'all have been very helpful!
(*): FOPA Guidelines:1986 Firearms Owners Protection Act (FOPA), also known as the Mcclure-Volkmer act. TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 44 > § 926A
§ 926A. Interstate transportation of firearms
Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any person who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm if, during such transportation the firearm is unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition being transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from the passenger compartment of such transporting vehicle: Provided, That in the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver’s compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console.
C-
p.s. everyone who posted at the old thread; "You guys are awesome!" says she. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=519603