I came upon this nice looking M1 carbine clone called Alpine M1 carbine . The asking price is $300 but I was not able to find any information specific to the Alpine company who made this carbine .Bruce Canefield website merely mentioned it in a few sentences. The gun store owner told me that it fire FMJ factory just fine but it will jam on the soft point bullet. He did not know if it will function in steel case Wolf or not. I would like to know about the part interchangability with the mil spec parts such as the extractor which eventually break. How about the quality of the parts and reliability ?
Alpine M1 Cabine
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Alpine Industries, in LA, CA, made about 17,000 carbines 1962-65. The company was set up by National Ordnance and claimed high quality, something you can judge for yourself, but NO does not have a good reputation (although those NO rifles I have seen were mostly OK).
The receivers are investment cast, but some early ones were supposedly made by welding up scrap demilled GI receivers. There were four different marking placements; the earliest had ALPINE/SN behind the rear sight, the next had ALPINE behind and the SN ahead of the rear sight, the third had ALPINE behind the sight and the SN on the sight flat, and the last had the SN on the front left of the receiver.
The Alpine carbines are not the worst of the commercial carbines, but they have no collector or historical value. As to not feeding soft point ammo, GI carbines have been known to fail that way, though they will usually work. If $300 is all you have, and you just have to have a carbine, maybe it is OK, but I would consider putting some more to it and buying a GI carbine.
As to Wolf ammo, some seems to be OK, but I am not sure I would blame the gun if Wolf ammo did not work.
Jim
The receivers are investment cast, but some early ones were supposedly made by welding up scrap demilled GI receivers. There were four different marking placements; the earliest had ALPINE/SN behind the rear sight, the next had ALPINE behind and the SN ahead of the rear sight, the third had ALPINE behind the sight and the SN on the sight flat, and the last had the SN on the front left of the receiver.
The Alpine carbines are not the worst of the commercial carbines, but they have no collector or historical value. As to not feeding soft point ammo, GI carbines have been known to fail that way, though they will usually work. If $300 is all you have, and you just have to have a carbine, maybe it is OK, but I would consider putting some more to it and buying a GI carbine.
As to Wolf ammo, some seems to be OK, but I am not sure I would blame the gun if Wolf ammo did not work.
Jim
"...will jam on the soft point bullet..." That's nonsense. Mine feeds 110 grain HP's and SP's with no fuss. It gets fed nothing but my reloaded HP's. Keeping it clean is important. Mind you, it's a Plainfield. That really shouldn't matter though.
Don't know if milsurp parts will fit. They should. It's really only the late model Universals that can't.
Wolf ammo should be fine. Berdan primed though, so no reloading it.
Don't know if milsurp parts will fit. They should. It's really only the late model Universals that can't.
Wolf ammo should be fine. Berdan primed though, so no reloading it.
Thanks everyone for the info.
I broke the extractor beak on IMI 888 carbine after merely 36 rounds of Wolf so I am more concern about problem with Wolf ammo than the soft point bullet (it was such a pain in the neck to replace the extractor ). I have to take a word of store owner because he test fire the consignment rifle in the back of his shop . I reload soft point bullet for my IAI 888 and Inland carbine and I did not see why it would jam on the carbin.I thnk may be the Alpine need new spring and some cleaning on the feed ramp?
I broke the extractor beak on IMI 888 carbine after merely 36 rounds of Wolf so I am more concern about problem with Wolf ammo than the soft point bullet (it was such a pain in the neck to replace the extractor ). I have to take a word of store owner because he test fire the consignment rifle in the back of his shop . I reload soft point bullet for my IAI 888 and Inland carbine and I did not see why it would jam on the carbin.I thnk may be the Alpine need new spring and some cleaning on the feed ramp?
IMI's are known for their iffy QC. The steel cases may have been too hard for the extractor. Since you're reloading anyway, I'd forget about the Wolf ammo. It won't be as accurate as you handloads anyway.
My Plainfield loves 110 grain HP's with IMR4227 and regular small rifle primers. 13.0 to 15.0(compressed) I've never been able to decide whether I like the accuracy or the BARK! sound it makes. Blows a hole the size of a grapefruit in a ground hog.
My Plainfield loves 110 grain HP's with IMR4227 and regular small rifle primers. 13.0 to 15.0(compressed) I've never been able to decide whether I like the accuracy or the BARK! sound it makes. Blows a hole the size of a grapefruit in a ground hog.
Sunray
I hate trimming all the carbine brass that why I was so eager to try the Wolf ammo. I will not get anymore of them because for the same price I could get large quantity of bullet for my reload. I will try your reciept of 13 to 15 grain IMR 4227 on my next batch of reload
I might get the Alpine and overhaul it with new spring and extractor.
I hate trimming all the carbine brass that why I was so eager to try the Wolf ammo. I will not get anymore of them because for the same price I could get large quantity of bullet for my reload. I will try your reciept of 13 to 15 grain IMR 4227 on my next batch of reload
I might get the Alpine and overhaul it with new spring and extractor.
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