Am I one of the few who puts such a high value on the 7.62x25 round?

[xxxleafybugxxx]

I recently traded my cz52 for a tok m57 (new production). I was able to take it out and shoot it today... Much better shooter than my cz. No trigger slap, no auto-engaging safety and it was very accurate. I was able to get better groupings than I am with my springfield xd 45.
Anyways, I love this caliber. I see a very big need for a concealable gun with great penetration capabilities. When I get my ccl I'm going to cary my 45 on my person, but I will always have my tok in my car. I just feel like there are situations where you may need more penetration.
I feel that the price of these guns mixed with the price of the ammo (when available) makes it a must have for defense reasons.
I have over 900 surplus romanian rounds that I'm just sitting on, but I will have loaded S&B fmj's.
Does anyone else think as highly of this cartridge as i do?

 

[45_auto]

Not me.

 

[gbeecher]

Old becomes New again..

It is a 'hot' cartridge. The surplus Tokarev and new manufactured Zastava M88 pistols are popular now. I'm not particularly fond of the price (ammo), but to each his own. I'm happy with my 9mm Hi-Point C9 pistol. Every year there are more and more choices in cartridges and handguns. Happy shooting!

 

[GBExpat]

The 7.62x25 is one of my favorite handgun rounds.

 

[SC Shooter]

I picked up a TT-33 a few years ago and do enjoy shooting it and like the caliber OK. One caution though. If you 900 rounds you are sitting on are Eastern European Military surplus, faithfully clean your weapon after shooting. Much of the military surplus is very corrosive.

 

[jdh]

If only some manufacturer would come out with a modern pistol chambered for it.

 

[Teachu2]

I see a very big need for a concealable gun with great penetration capabilities. When I get my ccl I'm going to cary my 45 on my person, but I will always have my tok in my car. I just feel like there are situations where you may need more penetration.

Perhaps you can expand on why you have a very big need for a concealable car gun with great penetration.

If I am in my car when dealing with a barricaded attacker, I drive away.

 

[xxxleafybugxxx]

“there's no harm in hoping for the best as long as you're prepared for the worst"
-Stephen King

God forbid I find myself in any situation where I would need to use a firearm for defense. However if that situation did ever occur, I'l like to be as prepared as possible,
whether that need is to penetrate body armor or a car door to be effective.

Remember how Hollywood shootout with the AK gunmen?
Conventional calibers did nothing to them.

I can't give you a situation where I may need it, it's just something I would feel comfortable having in my car. If nothing else, its an extra gun.

 

[Teachu2]

“there's no harm in hoping for the best as long as you're prepared for the worst"
-Stephen King

God forbid I find myself in any situation where I would need to use a firearm for defense. However if that situation did ever occur, I'l like to be as prepared as possible,
whether that need is to penetrate body armor or a car door to be effective.

Remember how Hollywood shootout with the AK gunmen?
Conventional calibers did nothing to them.

I can't give you a situation where I may need it, it's just something I would feel comfortable having in my car. If nothing else, its an extra gun.

If you're worried about confronting folks in body armor who are actively shooting AKs, a handgun is a poor choice. Something along the lines of an AR-10 is in order. Fleeing the area is much wiser.

It's pretty hard to come up with a realistic self-defense scenario where penetrating a car door or body armor is involved. As a civilian, only a fool would have engaged the Hollywood bandits with ANY handgun - or at all, for that matter. If you can get to your car for your Tok, use the car to escape.

 

[wally]

Perhaps you can expand on why you have a very big need for a concealable car gun with great penetration.

Pretty easy to imagine a car-jacking scenario where I'd be shooting thru my car door or window from the inside.

 

[45_auto]

Pretty easy to imagine a car-jacking scenario where I'd be shooting thru my car door or window from the inside.

Do you believe that it takes some kind of super-penetrating round to go through a car door and/or window?

We have our officers shoot through car doors and glass every year during their annual in-service training just to demonstrate how LITTLE cover it provides.

The 'Box-of-truth" shot up a car door on their web page and came to the same conclusion:

Lessons learned:
1. A single car door offers NO protection against handgun rounds.

2. Even two car doors and the passenger compartment offer little protection, and even that protection can be expected to evaporate when multiple rounds are fired.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/buickot3.htm

 

[platform]

Yes, a fan of anything over 1600 fps .

That's why there is now .22 TCM

 

[Zaydok Allen]

…….… yes…… you are the only one

Just kidding. I've never shot one, but sure would like to.

 

[xxxleafybugxxx]

Its the same principle as the fn 5.7. Very high velocity bullet. However the guns and ammo are much more reasonably priced.

 

[Teachu2]

Pretty easy to imagine a car-jacking scenario where I'd be shooting thru my car door or window from the inside.

Shooting through a car door to stop a carjacking? And digging out a car gun to do so? REALLY??? If I had time to do that, I'd just drive away - unless I was filming Death Wish VIII. After all, if I need a 7.65x25 to shoot OUT, the carjacker needs at least that to shoot IN.

It's easy to become enamored with the capabilities of a particular weapon and start imagining scenarios where those capabilities would/could/should/might make a difference. The hard part is being rational without rationalizing.

 

[Rocketmedic]

I like it because it's a hot, flat, weird round. But for CCW, I would much rather have a Makarov. Anyone got one?

 

[Jim K]

The 7.62x25 is a good round. But it is a pistol round, not that much better than 9x19. It won't shoot through mountains, penetrate tanks, slaughter whole armies with a single shot, or create radioactive mushroom clouds when a bullet hits the ground.

I would not depend on penetration of a car body any more than with a 9mm, and less than with a .357. Car doors are not two pieces of thin sheet metal; there are all kinds of levers, bars, and motors in there that will stop anything short of a rifle bullet.

Jim

 

[GBExpat]

Shooting through a car door to stop a carjacking? And digging out a car gun to do so? REALLY??? If I had time to do that, I'd just drive away - unless I was filming Death Wish VIII. After all, if I need a 7.65x25 to shoot OUT, the carjacker needs at least that to shoot IN.

Very enjoyable read! Thanks for that!

 

[amd6547]

Beyond the well proven superior penetration of the 7.62x25 FMJ, there is the flat trajectory.
With my Tokarev, 100yd shots are easy.

 

[suemarkp]

I liked that caliber until the 327 Federal came out. I sold my CZ-52 and have a 327 Fed snubbie. Was hoping to get a second gun with a longer barrel and adjustable sights, but looks like guns in 327 Federal are disappearing.

 

[Hurryin' Hoosier]

Actually, I recently purchased a dandy CZ52 and, shortly thereafter, got rid of my Zastava M57.

That being said, though, I do love shooting the Tokarev round - especially if the range is crowded, and most especially if I have a noob standing next to me!

 

[il.bill]

Beyond the well proven superior penetration of the 7.62x25 FMJ, there is the flat trajectory.
With my Tokarev, 100yd shots are easy.

You must have exceptional eyes to see the Tokarev sights well enough such that '100 yard shots are easy'.

7.62x25mm is an interesting round and I like it a lot. Overpenetration would be a serious concern for me in any social situation. I sold an extra $200 Yugo M57 last fall, but refrained from making a deal with the first friend who tried to buy it. He wanted it as an inexpensive home defense weapon (his first firearm), but with neighbors' houses 25-40 feet from his in three directions I convinced him it was simply too dangerous for that use. I would not be a bit surprised to see that high velocity bullet going through multiple walls and striking someone in the building next door.

Maybe I am wrong about the 7.62x25mm ballistics performance out of a handgun, but it sure seems to go fast and far. I do not 'love' the round, but I would feel my collection was incomplete if it did not include some model Tokarev pistol and/or a CZ52.

 

[Hurryin' Hoosier]

I like it because it's a hot, flat, weird round. But for CCW, I would much rather have a Makarov. Anyone got one?

Yep. One Bulgarian. But what's much better is having two CZ82s (the Cadillac of 9x18s).

 

[il.bill]

... much better is having two CZ82s ... .

Yes - two CZ82's is a good start.

 

[silverexpress]

I have a desert eagle .50 for penetration needs in silly mad max scenarios. If I wanted a light bullet that travels more than 1,500 fps I'll buy a 5.7.