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Would you join in stopping high demand ammo purchases?

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Gas and ammo are very different for most of us. I operate some sort of motor vehicle probably 350 days a year. I can cut that to 300 with some effort but not much more without negative impact to my financial health.

I could stop shooting for the next 10 years with no negative financial impact at all...in fact I would save money.

Huge difference.
 
Midway USA- 2 box max

Midway just lost a customer.

Well, I quit buying ammo locally a few months agoo. I got tired of going from one store to the next and finding bare shelves most of the time. I got so sick of having store clerks literally laugh in my face when I asked if they had any .38 special anywhere.

Instead, I decided to stick to ordering online. I just set up for email alerts through Midway, wait for it to come in stock, then order enough to last a couple of months until another buying opportunity is likely to pop up.

This week, I finally got an email from them saying they had some .357 in stock. My YAY turned to BOO after I found out they now had implemented a 2 box maximum order policy. Screw that. It's not even worth my time and the shipping prices. Their prices are high anyway. Their website sucks when it's working. I put up with all that for convenience. I don't plan on ever being their customer again in the future.

Oh, and I'd love to know who the MORON over at Midway who thought it would be a great idea to make a "build your own ar-15" site when they haven't had any actual AR-15 parts in stock for months.
 
Guys, the good old days are gone. Yes i know that hurts, but somebody had to say it. The manufacters have gotten a taste of record profits, just like big oil.
 
Gun Show ammo prices

So, three days ago I bought a brick of Winchester Wildcat .22LR $20 OTD at Scheels, a 22 store chain with an extensive gun and reloading and outfitting dept. Today at a gunshow 15 miles away one dealer had it trying to get $30 a brick and another dealer had one brick of Remington for $25. So, tonight after the gunshow I went back to the same Scheels. Of course they had sold all the Winchester bricks (limit one that day) but now they have (limit 2) bricks of Federal .22LR for $21 OTD. So, it is my experience recently that the biggest gouging is done at gun shows and that the commercial chains are not trying to gouge a lot. If you live around the Des Moines, IA area watch Scheels. And be careful how much you pay at gun shows without checking the brick and mortar stores.
 
bubba, I think the ammo manufacturers are maintaining their same profit margins as, say, last year at this time, perhaps longer.

The price jacking comes from the distributors, or more likely the dealers themselves. Because there's still reasonably priced ammo from most of the manufacturers(American Eagle, and Remington to name but 2).

A lot of us has found those reasonable prices by reputable, ethical dealers. Academy, Cabela's, Bass Pro just to name 3. And the independent gun dealers, who still treat their customers like customers, instead of the price gouger's who have gone into a feeding frenzy capitalizing on our panic buying.

At least that's my take of it.
 
I stocked up before BO won. I just had that sick feeling and went with that. It paid off but we're still screwed.
 
Capitalism--When a product becomes overpriced, someone will make it less expensively. When a product is in short supply, someone will build more capacity. Since it takes a while to decide and build, wait it will get better and we will have more gun owners on our side.
 
The manufacturers aren't making serious increases to their prices rather the distributors and retailers are marking up the Ammo because with current insanity they can.

The insanity will end and this will change. Once everyone has more ammo than they need POOF! Prices will go down.
 
So what makes you think that ammo prices are ever gonna come down? Why should they? If they can sell all they can make for a "inflated" price, what makes you think they will drop the price.
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Of course the stock market will never crash again, and housing prices will rise forever. Nothing stagnates. Eventually EVERYTHING changes, and in this instance the hoarders, for whatever reason, will quit buying. Maybe they'll decide they have enough, maybe that they need to spend the money on something else, or maybe some other reason.

Regardless it will mean the market is saturated. Then the prices will come down to reasonable. Maybe not what they were 5 years ago, but to inline with the times.

I really don't get why this is so hard for folks to understand. :confused: The real issue is timing. If it takes 6 months - no problem. 6 years - oops we're in a depression, and need those 22LR to shoot rabbits. But either way the market will saturate and the prices will adjust to the times.

If I could give you a time frame I wouldn't have lost my rear in the market. Alas I have no rear left so I won't make a prognostication about when, but rest assured it will happen.
 
We've needed newer and/or more oil refineries since the early 80's. The oil industry made something like 9 to 13 billion dollars last year. We have a supply/demand issue, and yet the oil industry won't build newer facilities to improve the process so that they can get more gas/diesel/natural gas to their customer base.

Why?




Because they made 9 to 13 billion dollars and didn't need to spend a dime on expansion.

This is capitalism at its ugliest, folks ... and this is what sometimes happens.



Kris
 
MarineONe about oil refineries

The oil companies do not want to build new refineries because a refinery is very, very expensive to build and the trend in fuels for vehicles is away from oil...They are afraid they will lose their butts financially.....plus, they are making a great deal of money as things are presently so they have no incentive to build more refinery capacity....they are afraid that by the time they build new refineries and get them operating the the demand for gasoline will drop.
 
Gun Show gouging as compared to retail store

"reasonable" prices. So, I went into Scheels (22 store chain from Montana to Midwest) and they have large gun and gun supply and reloading departments in most of their stores.) in West Des Moines on Tuesday. They had (limit one) bricks of Winchester Wildcat .22 LR for around $19 OTD. I went to a gun show three days later 15 miles away and a regular gun dealer at the shows (this is his full time business) was asking $30 for the same thing. Another table had one brick of Remington .22LR for $25. So, after the show I went back to Scheels again and they had sold out of the Winchester but now had lots of bricks of Federal .22LR (Limit two) for $20 OTD. It is my experience that the retail store fronts are less prone to gouge than the gun show sellers. So, a word to the wise is be checking prices carefully. Also, I can't believe some perceptions out there. At the gun show a dealer had some Remington boxes of 50 of 45 Long Colt for, are you ready, $45 a box. One customer was saying how that did not seem too bad. I told him I disagreed...that I had just bought a box of Winchester Cowboy Action .45 Long Colt for 29.90 plus tax and that I had just seen boxes of another brand for like $34.50 plus tax. I do not understand how he thought that price was not bad.
 
MarineOne said:
We've needed newer and/or more oil refineries since the early 80's. The oil industry made something like 9 to 13 billion dollars last year. We have a supply/demand issue, and yet the oil industry won't build newer facilities to improve the process so that they can get more gas/diesel/natural gas to their customer base.

Why?

Because they made 9 to 13 billion dollars and didn't need to spend a dime on expansion.

This is capitalism at its ugliest, folks ... and this is what sometimes happens.

Kris
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If you can find any suitable place that is willing to let an oil refinery be built in their back yard, please give Exxon a call. They would love to hear from you. "Suitable" means easy access to existing highways, pipelines and seaports. Locations in the middle of Utah, Arizona, Nevada, Montana and the Dakotas 80 miles from nowhere need not apply.
 
Local gun shop must be crazy

I walked into a little local ma and pa gun shop. They had a box of 115 gr fmj independence bullets. They wanted 37.00 for a box of 50. I was so sick I turned right around and walked out. Its one thing for the goverment to stick it to us, but when a gun shop jacks up their price to take advantage of us thats low. I have seen these bullets 18$ a box everywhere else
 
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There is ammo to be had here in Palm Beach Gardens Florida at Gander Mountain. WWB .40 cal FMJ Target $39.95 for 50 rounds,
.223 for $19.95 for 20 rounds. Our local Walley World gets a weekly shipment of the same ammo and sells it for $13.95 for the 50 round box of.40 cal and $9.95 for the .223. It is called "rip off" the customer at Gander.
 
It must be nice to get it at 18 dollars everywhere else. Let us know when you do pay it at that price everywhere else.

Ammo is like gas pricing these days. Demand/Supply. I dont care if my .45 ACP was a dollar a shot. I already pay that much with the 12 gauge Brennekes for example.

Smaller shops that do good service might actually see me buy that box at 30+ dollars. If only to help them out a little. Makes me a chump I know.. but.. I doubt that "everywhere else" has it for 18.

My policy with ammo is very simple.

See it. Buy it. Dont postpone or wait for a better price. When you leave it there, someone else has or will buy it and it will be the next truck you will be waiting for.
 
....and people told me it wasn't cost effective to set up my reloading gear for 9mm. :p
 
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