rcmodel
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Do you consider a hole through a furnace duct harmless?
See post #19 above!
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Ammunition safety in fires
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See post #19 above!
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armedandsafe
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That's when the case blows and sprays a little bit of low velocity/mass shrapnel about inside the can.
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Ragnar Danneskjold
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This may be anecdotal, but my dad was a firefighter for 25 years, and I asked him about this the last time this was a topic on THR. He said that while he's seen more than a few rounds cook off, he has never seen or heard about a firefighter being injured.
This may be anecdotal, but my dad was a firefighter for 25 years, and I asked him about this the last time this was a topic on THR. He said that while he's seen more than a few rounds cook off, he has never seen or heard about a firefighter being injured.
Rudy Kohn
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Related question/food for thought:
What about rounds in the cylinder of a revolver? All of those are effectively chambered. I would imagine the effect could be quite destructive, launching pieces of frame and cylinder in various directions...
Does anyone have info or experience with this?
What about rounds in the cylinder of a revolver? All of those are effectively chambered. I would imagine the effect could be quite destructive, launching pieces of frame and cylinder in various directions...
Does anyone have info or experience with this?
rcmodel
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Rounds in a revolver cylinder will cook off & fire just as if you pulled the trigger.
Those on each side of the frame and the one in line with the barrel would be quite deadly in front of the gun.
The one at the bottom would hit the frame and splatter.
I doubt the gun would blow up unless the heat from the fire had weakened it seriously.
Oldtime gunfighters sometimes made hideout guns out of Colt SAA's by simply taking the barrel & ejector rod off the gun.
.45 Colt loads will kill just fine out of the cylinder alone.
rcmodel
Those on each side of the frame and the one in line with the barrel would be quite deadly in front of the gun.
The one at the bottom would hit the frame and splatter.
I doubt the gun would blow up unless the heat from the fire had weakened it seriously.
Oldtime gunfighters sometimes made hideout guns out of Colt SAA's by simply taking the barrel & ejector rod off the gun.
.45 Colt loads will kill just fine out of the cylinder alone.
rcmodel
Scottbirge;
The NRA did an extensive article on this very subject that was published in the American Rifleman. If I were you, I'd contact them & see if they wouldn't either get the exact year/issue for you, or allow your department access to the test results.
900F
The NRA did an extensive article on this very subject that was published in the American Rifleman. If I were you, I'd contact them & see if they wouldn't either get the exact year/issue for you, or allow your department access to the test results.
900F
I have been a firefighter for 20 years and the quoted story is the second time I have heard of this. The first time was a guy I use to work with. We were at a military training base working a brushfire. A 40mm ruber warhead grenade for a grenade launcher cooked off laying in the grass. The report did not say which part hit him but he was hit at 25 yards in the chest causing bruised ribs. again that was the official report with many witnesses.
TEDDY
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cook off
having had some experiance here is my take round from french hochkiss misfired was ejected by gunner sailed thru air popped like primer and cut gunner on arm with torn open case,dropping at my wifes foot.
lb can of red dot had cigarret dropped in it [not on purpose]flared and burned curtins and blistered two dummies,and took their hair off.
the NRA and national fire ass are the ones to ask.not gun posters.all that happens is case splits and bullet may or may not fall some distance away.
the NRA did extensive testing yrs ago because of some fires.and the remarks that there would be a big explosion.which is not true.
having had some experiance here is my take round from french hochkiss misfired was ejected by gunner sailed thru air popped like primer and cut gunner on arm with torn open case,dropping at my wifes foot.
lb can of red dot had cigarret dropped in it [not on purpose]flared and burned curtins and blistered two dummies,and took their hair off.
the NRA and national fire ass are the ones to ask.not gun posters.all that happens is case splits and bullet may or may not fall some distance away.
the NRA did extensive testing yrs ago because of some fires.and the remarks that there would be a big explosion.which is not true.
TeamCorbon
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Ammunition safety in fires
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Hello,
Fireman Scott here from Naples. Does anyone have any information on ammunition safety related to fires. More specifically the hazards that are posed. What happens to munitions of the small caliber variety when exposed to fire?
A recent fire that was reported on a national fire department forum reported a firefighter was "shot" in the abdomine while fighting a house fire where ammunition was exposed to the fire. So does anyone know of any studies or other information sources for similar information? Thanks for any help you are able to provide.
Stay safe.
Scott,
Email me your address. I have a CD made by the National Shooting Sports Foundation that you will be interested in. They studied and did video of ammunition on fire in several different scenarios. Firefighters went in and put the fires out without injury. Several FF's said they could feel something hitting their coat and gloves, but nothing got close to penetrating.
[email protected]
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Hello,
Fireman Scott here from Naples. Does anyone have any information on ammunition safety related to fires. More specifically the hazards that are posed. What happens to munitions of the small caliber variety when exposed to fire?
A recent fire that was reported on a national fire department forum reported a firefighter was "shot" in the abdomine while fighting a house fire where ammunition was exposed to the fire. So does anyone know of any studies or other information sources for similar information? Thanks for any help you are able to provide.
Stay safe.
Scott,
Email me your address. I have a CD made by the National Shooting Sports Foundation that you will be interested in. They studied and did video of ammunition on fire in several different scenarios. Firefighters went in and put the fires out without injury. Several FF's said they could feel something hitting their coat and gloves, but nothing got close to penetrating.
[email protected]
Northern-Lights
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I was an Air Force Firefighter. Our training was mostly telling us that unless it's in the chamber, it can't "shoot" you.
Lots of flash....Lots of noise.....some shrapnel possible.....but your turnout gear should protect you. There are lots more dangerous things out there to worry about. Things like reloading primers, black powder and smokeless powder cans, propane cylinders.....etc.
Lots of flash....Lots of noise.....some shrapnel possible.....but your turnout gear should protect you. There are lots more dangerous things out there to worry about. Things like reloading primers, black powder and smokeless powder cans, propane cylinders.....etc.
Librarian
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Multiple versions of Material Safety Data Sheets for ammunition are on line. This .pdf example says
Remington has a good set of MSDS here.
I've investigated more than 1500 fires in my on-going career with a State Fire Marshal's Office. We had one fire where several rounds (38 spl) cooked-off and sent the bullets sailing around with enough force to knock the paint off of and dent a firetruck in the vicinity. The way the ammo is positioned had a lot to do with it. Stacked on the floor, or against the wall with other boxes stacked on or against can make a big difference. Loosely stored or scattered would probably be no biggie, It's not worth the risk, in my opinion, to simply assume ammo that is cooking off can do no harm. Call BS all you want, but I've seen the damage. FM(Fire Marshal)12
......... and no one saw the Mythbusters episode??? They put assorted caliber cartridges in an oven and watched them explode. The worst that had happened was the case splitting and sending flying schrapnel threw the glass oven door.LINK TO VID.
"Mythbusters" had an episode about this recently. They stuck rounds into an oven. Then they cranked it up around 500. First they put a 22lr. It exploded but didn't leave any visible damage to the stove. Then they put I believe a 30-06 round in. I believe it left an impressive dent visible from the exterior of the stove. Then they placed a 50bmg in there and it went right through the two sheets of sheet metal that make up the oven walls.
In a different episode they used a 22lr as a fuse in a vehicle then ran 12v through it. The bullet when it exploded I believe did pierce balistics gellatin.
In a different episode they used a 22lr as a fuse in a vehicle then ran 12v through it. The bullet when it exploded I believe did pierce balistics gellatin.
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How many primers does it take to make a "dangerous" amount? I probably have about 1000 or more together in a cigar box in my reloading shed. How much should I spread them out.
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