Florida Concealed Weapon License Question

[boalex207]

Does the NRA Home Firearm Safety course satisfy the training requirement ? I have researched it but get conflicting information.

such as on the Florida licensing website.............

Completion of any National Rifle Association firearms safety or training course;


but elsewhere, I see that the HFS course DOES NOT meet the requirements because there is no live fire involved.


Can anyone in the know comment ?

 

[msb45]

I know for a fact that if the class did not involve live fire it will not qualify. When I took my class at a gun show we drove to range to shoot. I'm not certain if there is a new requirement for a # of rounds.

 

[Frank Ettin]

The Home Firearm Safety class does not involve any live fire, so it won't satisfy the Florida requirement. The Basic Handgun class I believe will. That class includes live fire.

 

[MedWheeler]

Unfortunately (in my opinion, at least), live-fire is not a requirement for a class to be accepted. In fact, most gun shows have on-site classes that crank out newly "eligible" applicants by the dozens each day of the show, and there are no provisions for firing a weapon at these shows.
I have heard of classes that require one shot, many shots, no shots, and even some that use airguns only.

 

[swinokur]

I know for a fact that if the class did not involve live fire it will not qualify. When I took my class at a gun show we drove to range to shoot. I'm not certain if there is a new requirement for a # of rounds.

FL DOES NOT require live fire to get your CCW. You can use your UT CCW course completion cert. to get your FL CCW. UT does not require live fire. FL also accepts the MD Hunting Safety program completion. No live fire there either.

 

[boalex207]

It appears that Florida has (somewhat) recently added a clause that requires live fire of at least one round.

or who, as an instructor, attests to the completion of such courses, must maintain records certifying that he or she observed the student safely handle and discharge the firearm;

 

[ljnowell]

Does anyone know if florida accepts the IL state hunter safety courses, like the MD one? Its the same curriculim that several other states use.

 

[84B20]

I sent a copy of my military DD214 and got my Florida CCW. Of course I already had my New Mexico and Utah CCW's as well so training wasn't an issue.

 

[swinokur]

It appears that Florida has (somewhat) recently added a clause that requires live fire of at least one round.

or who, as an instructor, attests to the completion of such courses, must maintain records certifying that he or she observed the student safely handle and discharge the firearm;

Please provide a link or cite to substantiate this. I just went over the FL DOA concelaed weapons permit web site and cannot find this requirement.

Stu

 

[brboyer]

Originally Posted by boalex207
It appears that Florida has (somewhat) recently added a clause that requires live fire of at least one round.

or who, as an instructor, attests to the completion of such courses, must maintain records certifying that he or she observed the student safely handle and discharge the firearm;

Please provide a link or cite to substantiate this. I just went over the FL DOA concelaed weapons permit web site and cannot find this requirement.

Stu

Stu, This is nothing new. It's been a requirement in 790.06 in section 7 since at least 1999.

 

[AJChenMPH]

Right from 790.06(2)(h) as accessed from the FLSenate.gov site on 12 Oct 2009:

Demonstrates competence with a firearm by any one of the following:

1. Completion of any hunter education or hunter safety course approved by the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission or a similar agency of another state;

2. Completion of any National Rifle Association firearms safety or training course;

3. Completion of any firearms safety or training course or class available to the general public offered by a law enforcement, junior college, college, or private or public institution or organization or firearms training school, utilizing instructors certified by the National Rifle Association, Criminal Justice Standards and Training Commission, or the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services;

4. Completion of any law enforcement firearms safety or training course or class offered for security guards, investigators, special deputies, or any division or subdivision of law enforcement or security enforcement;

5. Presents evidence of equivalent experience with a firearm through participation in organized shooting competition or military service;

6. Is licensed or has been licensed to carry a firearm in this state or a county or municipality of this state, unless such license has been revoked for cause; or

7. Completion of any firearms training or safety course or class conducted by a state-certified or National Rifle Association certified firearms instructor;

A photocopy of a certificate of completion of any of the courses or classes; or an affidavit from the instructor, school, club, organization, or group that conducted or taught said course or class attesting to the completion of the course or class by the applicant; or a copy of any document which shows completion of the course or class or evidences participation in firearms competition shall constitute evidence of qualification under this paragraph; any person who conducts a course pursuant to subparagraph 2., subparagraph 3., or subparagraph 7., or who, as an instructor, attests to the completion of such courses, must maintain records certifying that he or she observed the student safely handle and discharge the firearm;

Link to 790.06

Two observations:

1. #2 states that any NRA course will qualify.

2. The very last line does state "handle and discharge the firearm".

Good luck sorting this all out, especially if the Home Firearm Safety course doesn't have live-fire...

 

[pikid89]

and there are no provisions for firing a weapon at these shows.

someone told me that if you do it at a gun show you just stick you gun into a bullet trap and fire one round

 

[j21blackjack]

I would just call the office and ask. That's how I found out my military id was enough proof of training.

 

[swinokur]

Right from 790.06(2)(h) as accessed from the FLSenate.gov site on 12 Oct 2009:



Link to 790.06

Two observations:

1. #2 states that any NRA course will qualify.

2. The very last line does state "handle and discharge the firearm".

Good luck sorting this all out, especially if the Home Firearm Safety course doesn't have live-fire...

It appears from my reading that the only time you need to certify the live fire is via the affadavit portion. It seems to be implied that if you provide the certificate of completion, then that is acceptable and the instructors responsibility. I provided 3 things, my DD214, my UT CWP certificate and my MD Gun safety certificate. NONE of them required a live fire portion. The UT cert was from an NRA certifed instructor.

I think it may be incumbent on whoever gives the class to require the live fire portion. I never fired a handgun in the Army, only long guns, and that was 30 years ago. UT used to require live fire but not now. I do understand that the MD handgun safety course is no longer accepted. As I stated, there is absolutely NO mention of live fire on the FL DOA Concealed Weapons permit application form. The training requirements for an NRA or state approved course are there, but no mention of live fire. So what's correct? I'm really confused now.

 

[kanook]

My class requires 2 hours of live fire. It is the NRA basic pistol course. It doesn't specify what caliber, only that it goes bang.

Some instructors were using 6mm airsoft for the live fire. All the classes they taught upto when they were caught were voided.

Maybe when the state sees the certification that says NRA basic pistol they know it's live fire. And yes the gunshow route is skirting the legal requirements in my eyes.

 

[Evenflo76]

I took that class. You do not HAVE to shoot the same day.

The range I took my class at included a free range session. Since I had been there before, they knew I was competent and therefore the requirement was fulfilled.

Otherwise, they would have observed me and my firearm handling when I went in to the range.

Not a huge part of the course. Take the class. It is informative, and in FL we have a CWP. Concealed Weapons Permit, not a CCW. It pertains to many lethal and non-lethal weapons and is very informative. IMO better than a Hunters Course to allow knowledge of implications toward a self defense scenario.

 

[MacGuyver77]

Florida Hunter Safety Class (done through FWC or older Game & Fish Comm) satisfy the requirement. Just show the card.

 

[kanook]

Since I had been there before, they knew I was competent and therefore the requirement was fulfilled.

If your instructor did not watch you shoot he should not have signed. Just because you went to a range and shot does not mean that it was done safely.

 

[trimore]

I did NOT shoot at all at my CCW class. Got my permit in 6 days.