paintballdude902
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good for him. but i would like to know if he had a cc permit or if he was open carrying or if he was illegally carrying
but i would like to know if he had a cc permit or if he was open carrying or if he was illegally carrying
If the neighbors would come out shooting the drivebys would not bother that neighborhood anymore.
I'm with Buck Snort. You could take turns on who does the work & who watches. Two guys with 12 gauges could have tore that car to pieces.
My response to Nematocyst is that even the police in such a situation can't put 100 percent of rounds into a "stationary target" much less a moving one. But, I still want the men (civilian or police) who are inclined to take action on my side, regardless of whether they are perfect shooters. Too many people, including police officers are afraid of liability. Walk in the light and you need never fear the dark.
Now you're firing at what? A threat? No. You're firing at an object that is moving away from you at an increasing rate of speed
It's not just a little paint on the wall to the gangstabros. He's disrepectin' them and needs to be taught a lesson. Well, in their minds anyway.Yeah, they were definitely dirt. I guess this is the world we live in, but it's still just absurd to me. It's a real shame that a man trying to clean up his neighborhood would encounter an attempt on his life over some paint on a wall. It's sad. I'm just really glad he wasn't hurt and plans to keep on with his work in the community. The world needs more guys like him. He's got heart.
t pays to be packing when you’re painting.
Three men were painting a fence to cover gang graffiti across from 4677 Lindawood in Raleigh when a silver Dodge Stratus, occupied by several men fired shots at them, according to an affidavit filed by Shelby County Sheriff deputies.
The victims returned fire using their 40-caliber handguns and the driver left.
Deputies found the car at a Mapco at New Allen and Ridgemont with three bullet holes in the rear of the car occupied by five men.
A deputy found a loaded 25-caliber handgun in the front left pocket of Jedon Wynn, 18, according to the affidavit. He is charged with aggravated assault and unlawfully carrying or being in possession of a weapon. The driver also was transported to 201 Poplar. But there were no charges listed against him.
What you are all assuming is that:
1. Defender wasn't aware of his backstop.
2. The vehicle was actively fleeing.
3. Defender would have survived the attack without the use of his own weapon.
Three men were painting a fence to cover gang graffiti across from 4677 Lindawood in Raleigh when a silver Dodge Stratus, occupied by several men fired shots at them, according to an affidavit filed by Shelby County Sheriff deputies.
The victims returned fire using their 40-caliber handguns and the driver left.
Deputies found the car at a Mapco at New Allen and Ridgemont with three bullet holes in the rear of the car occupied by five men.
A deputy found a loaded 25-caliber handgun in the front left pocket of Jedon Wynn, 18, according to the affidavit. He is charged with aggravated assault and unlawfully carrying or being in possession of a weapon.
Posted by Sam1911...If you're fast, you could maybe have that first shot going down range in 1.2 sec. or so. By the time your first (Robbie Laethem-like) shot breaks, the car is 15 yds. past you -- assuming they didn't speed up at all. Now you're firing at what? A threat? No. You're firing at an object that is moving away from you at an increasing rate of speed, carrying away with it whatever threat it might have presented before.
Remember, we don't shoot to kill a criminal. We don't shoot to prevent a bad guy from escaping. We don't shoot to avenge our near injury. We don't shoot to take a gang member off the streets. We don't shoot to wound/mark our assailants so they'll end up in the hospital later. We shoot to STOP a threat.
Too much television?As there is no longer a threat, why are we shooting?
All of that is true whether we are firing in self-defense or in anger at someone who is driving away.As a private citizen, not a sworn officer, we have very different standards for circumstances under which we may shoot and -- more importantly -- we do not have the backing (legal and financial) of a department behind us to absorb the costs for collateral damage we may incurr -- up to and including negligent (accidental?) death of a bystander.
He replied with deadly force, but was it in defense of his own life? He would have to present evidence that his safety depended upon his immediate use of deadly force. It's hard to visualize how one could still be endangered by a car that had passed. On the other hand, it would probably not be very difficult at all to use re-enactment, testimony, forensic evidence, and simulation to persuade others that a reasonable person could not have reasonably believed himself to still be in danger when he fired.Posted by Malcolmhawk: But this is a differnet situation, a citizen is attacked on the street by individuals who use deadly force against him. He replies with deadly force in defense of his own life.
I've seen nothing to indicate that anone has forgotten that. That applies to criminal liability for accidental injury. There are also the matters of criminal negligence and civil liability.You are all forgetting the felony murder rule. The attacker (the shooter in the car) is responsible for innocents that get killed accidentally, not the defender
He replied with deadly force, but was it in defense of his own life? He would have to present evidence that his safety depended upon his immediate use of deadly force. It's hard to visualize how one could still be endangered by a car that had passed. On the other hand, it would probably not be very difficult at all to use re-enactment, testimony, forensic evidence, and simulation to persuade others that a reasonable person could not have reasonably believed himself to still be in danger when he fired.