Graffiti painter killed by homeowner - news story

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While I dont think I would shoot someone for merely vandelizing something, however I would definately confront them, and if in that confrontation I felt threatened I would take appropriate actions. I would probably feel alot more threatened if it was my house they were vandelizing.

Were I on that guys jury would I not convict him.
 
I hope that it's glaringly obvious to most people that there is an INCREDIBLE range of possible responses between "Let the criminals do whatever they want..." and shooting any criminal on sight.
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I would have hoped that too, but it seems to be beyond the mental grasp of a good portion of people here.
 
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Slime, you are distorting the Bible. If I am raping your daughter, and you kill me, my Dad has no moral/biblical reason to claim 'eye for an eye', and come for you.
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Mercy! Why do I take the bait? How did we get from damaging property to rape? SomeKid, you spinmeister, you're distorting reality. What are you? A liberal arts major at some Ivy League school?

(Ok, that Ivy League thing was pretty harsh - I'll take it back)
 
Actually, its Nursing, but on to the issue.
I guess all I can say to the "murder-the-vandals" crowd is that if YOU actually do it and the dead kid's dad comes and kills you, nobody will be shedding any tears. At least the dad has an established moral leg to stand on... "You shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth..."
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Those are your exact words, from post #22. (Bold mine.)

The point I was making? The Bible was referring to the way to punish a criminal. If I am doing a criminal act, and am killed in the process thereof, there is no Biblical basis for anyone trying to get payback for my death.

When you read the Bible, dump your pre-concieved notions of what you want it to say. Read it, and read what it says. (Interestingly, if we could get lawmakers and jurists to read the Constitution the way I advocate reading the Bible, we would not have any of these cursed restrictions on our rights. Maybe reading a skill, beyond most government agents ability?)

As an aside before we get this thread locked, keep in mind, the mods don't like religion being discussed. If you still fail to understand the Bible; PM me, and I will help you as I can.
 
After reading the replies of a few people on this board that saw no problem ending the life of a person for a misdemeanor crime and the ones that think it would be okay to shoot a person you catch running off with your car stereo I see why the anti-gunnies are winning. it makes it real easy to believe that some people should not be trusted with anything deadlier than a pointy stick. :(
 
So every 17 year old 'tagger' is a 'gang related'?

Then I guess every gun owner is a 50 year old hill billy with only 2 teeth left.

Wether it matters to you or not, I've lost a little respect for some of you folks.

-Dev
 
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"So every 17 year old 'tagger' is a 'gang related'?"

No, some are just stupid kids and the tags aren't threats of violence. It's usually possible to sort out from the tags themselves what is going on.

Where they constitute threats (which includes anything with a gang symbol in it), my experience is that a counter-threat sprayed down can work. In my case, the jolly roger in black paint.

Painting over the tags in white or the normal wall color sends a signal of "I'm a nice little law abiding sheeple who doesn't like your nasty tag". Flying the skull'n'crossbones in black over their tags says "I live here, I'm fed up and I'm armed". It also drives away drug customers as it's the international symbol for poison.
 
A young artist with a big future shot by gun wielding maniac while carrying out his 1st amendment right to paint his voice for others to see?

A terrible loss. Terrible.
 
After reading the replies of a few people on this board that saw no problem ending the life of a person for a misdemeanor crime and the ones that think it would be okay to shoot a person you catch running off with your car stereo I see why the anti-gunnies are winning. it makes it real easy to believe that some people should not be trusted with anything deadlier than a pointy stick.
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Hey, pointy sticks are deadly weapons. I wouldn't be surprised if good ol' "sheeple" John Q (a.k.a. the voting majority) would limit us to crayons for writing. With friends like this, who needs an enema?
 
Advocating or condoning the shooting of a vandal gives ALL gun owners a black eye. As a gun owner that would like to keep his guns, don't do me any favors. Justifying such a murder via the Bible is both blasphemous and sick. Some people give Christians a bad name.
 
the Minnespolis startribune reported last week that the slain tagger was a current Harvard student on leave from school who grew up on Minnesotas Leech lake indian reservation and attended a prestigious east coast boarding school.
Seems to me that there may be a little more to the story.
He dead man was 24 years old
 
I surrender to the logic of your argument and the eloquence of your diction.
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I had thought you smarter, and better, than that. I appear to have been wrong. Maybe you can explain to me how it is moral to murder someone for a misdemeanor.

Perhaps you'd like to quote the Old Testament too?

You know, right now I almost feel ashamed to be part of this community. You people certainly aren't doing anything to disprove the "bloodthirsty maniacs" label that antis try to pin on us. Of course, some of you make it all too easy.
 
The Nanny state will not allow for a citizen to protect his property. Call 911? For what? The cops will put a $ value on your incident and tell you to file a report and clean it up.... at your expense.

The castle doctrine should be that. You PROPERTY is yours. Damage to it is damage to you. If Joe Dirtbag or Jimmy Dirtbag Yuppy wants to tag for grins and giggles then the homeowner should have the right to defend his property.... be it with a bat, OC, or with Mr. Smith & Wesson.

Why should the property owner have to live in fear because the Nanny state is allowing the dregs of the gene pool to survive?

How many inmates are serving time for vandalism? Maybe if he vandalized the sheriffs or judges property.. but Mr. and Mrs. Average Citizen is up the creek. Get that whitewash out and clean it up.
 
The Nanny state will not allow for a citizen to protect his property. Call 911? For what? The cops will put a $ value on your incident and tell you to file a report and clean it up.... at your expense.
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You are probably right... But how could you conceivably equate your relatively minor inconvenience and expense with the loss of a human life. Congratulations! You have lowered your moral standards, and your assessment of the value of human life, to that of a gang banger/thug. And, in the bargain, you may as well have written the antis a big, fat check.

Yes vandalism is a crime and the tagger should be punished. Somehow I just don't think the death penalty should apply here. Geez... I hope that doesn't make me a liberal. :uhoh:
 
Yes vandalism is a crime and the tagger should be punished. Somehow I just don't think the death penalty should apply here. Geez... I hope that doesn't make me a liberal.
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Maybe it does and maybe it doesn't. What it does do is make you human and level headed..
 
I would have gotten even. I would have found out where they lived and put styrene in their vehicle gas tank, vaseline on their windshield wipers, and an egg down the defroster.:evil:
 
Gang gaffiti is not mere vandalism, it is a challenge to rival gang members, or (in our case) a statement of hatred---the recipient is being put on notice that they are unwelcome. It is also meant to imply that harsher measures will be taken if the target doesn’t “get the message” and move out of the area---just like when the KKK burned crosses on people’s lawns.
 
It seems to me that most responces here are based on assumptions. None of us were there, we don't know the facts (other than the local paper reporting t, and who knows what kind of slant that has), and therfore cannot come to any logical conclusiions. We don't know if this is gang-related (though on the face of it, it sure seems that way), or if it was random, or just some stupid kids out having a good ol' time painting the town (pun intended:p ). The shooter in question was 17...why did he have access to a firearm? Who's was it? Did he know the perps? Was this gang related & if so, what was the purpose of the vandalism?

If placed in the same situation (based on the way it has been reported), it is unlikely I would shoot unless prevoked, and probably would have called the cops prior to going out there to ward off further damage with the Roscoe in hand. Sure, I'd be pretty PO'd, but then again the situation didn't seem to warrant lethal force-unless there was other weapons involved that the paper has conveniently left out.

Long and short of it; I believe one has every right to protect ones property, by force (preferably not lethal but if the situation escelates...) if needed; but on the face of it, this seems excessive. I will reserve my opinions until after all the facts have been presented. IMHO...
 
IF the shooter can make a case to the jury that a reasonable person would have been in fear for his life, I have no problem with the action he took, especially if he had unsuccessfully tried to get help from the authorities in the past.

However, the statements being made here were advocating shooting someone for simple vandalism, and they do certainly make us look like a bunch of bloodthirsty savages. We need a word for the opposite of "bliss ninny" around here. How about "rage ninny?"
 
I can probably count on one hand the number times that I've agreed with Malone LaVeigh. But if you want to know why this thread is closed, his response sums it up nicely.
 
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