Bartholomew Roberts
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Waitone said:Different statistics from what I've seen. Citations?
Click on the underlined link in the post you quoted. Also feel free to share any cites you have that conflict with those.
Waitone said:Different statistics from what I've seen. Citations?
Khornet said:did you read the requirements?
They are so stringent that in order to gat approval you have to have a perfect case.
(a) Submission by Federal officer; approval of Attorney General; contents
Each application for an order approving electronic surveillance under this subchapter shall be made by a Federal officer in writing upon oath or affirmation to a judge having jurisdiction under section 1803 of this title. Each application shall require the approval of the Attorney General based upon his finding that it satisfies the criteria and requirements of such application as set forth in this subchapter. It shall include—
(1) the identity of the Federal officer making the application;
(2) the authority conferred on the Attorney General by the President of the United States and the approval of the Attorney General to make the application;
(3) the identity, if known, or a description of the target of the electronic surveillance;
(4) a statement of the facts and circumstances relied upon by the applicant to justify his belief that—
(A) the target of the electronic surveillance is a foreign power or an agent of a foreign power; and
(B) each of the facilities or places at which the electronic surveillance is directed is being used, or is about to be used, by a foreign power or an agent of a foreign power;
(5) a statement of the proposed minimization procedures;
(6) a detailed description of the nature of the information sought and the type of communications or activities to be subjected to the surveillance;
(7) a certification or certifications by the Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs or an executive branch official or officials designated by the President from among those executive officers employed in the area of national security or defense and appointed by the President with the advice and consent of the Senate—
(A) that the certifying official deems the information sought to be foreign intelligence information;
(B) that a significant purpose of the surveillance is to obtain foreign intelligence information;
(C) that such information cannot reasonably be obtained by normal investigative techniques;
(D) that designates the type of foreign intelligence information being sought according to the categories described in section 1801 (e) of this title; and
(E) including a statement of the basis for the certification that—
(i) the information sought is the type of foreign intelligence information designated; and
(ii) such information cannot reasonably be obtained by normal investigative techniques;
(8) a statement of the means by which the surveillance will be effected and a statement whether physical entry is required to effect the surveillance;
(9) a statement of the facts concerning all previous applications that have been made to any judge under this subchapter involving any of the persons, facilities, or places specified in the application, and the action taken on each previous application;
(10) a statement of the period of time for which the electronic surveillance is required to be maintained, and if the nature of the intelligence gathering is such that the approval of the use of electronic surveillance under this subchapter should not automatically terminate when the described type of information has first been obtained, a description of facts supporting the belief that additional information of the same type will be obtained thereafter; and
(11) whenever more than one electronic, mechanical or other surveillance device is to be used with respect to a particular proposed electronic surveillance, the coverage of the devices involved and what minimization procedures apply to information acquired by each device.
The worst enemy of good is perfect.
if Hitler says 2+2=5, you don't shout "Rotten Fascist!"; you simply prove him wrong.
Khornet said:did you read the requirements?
They are so stringent that in order to gat approval you have to have a perfect case. In other words, in order to justify a wiretap (which I repeat is NOT what goes on) you must already have so much evidence that the wiretap is unnecessary. The rules require that requests be so perfect that of course few will be rejected. But also of course fewer and fewer will be requested because of the cumbersomeness of the preocess.
Look at the rules closely, and tell me they have any connection with the real world. Congress views them as a tool to keep intelligence services in check
If you can't get through your head that this is not a matter of 'domestic spying', than I can't help you. Calls from the US to foreign places or vice versa in which one of the participants is believed to be connected to terrorism are the only calls involved. I can read the material for you, but I can't understand it for you.
Understand that Tice is parsing his words carefully to avoid spilling classified information for which he could be prosecuted. So read between the lines here a little.Tice says the technology exists to track and sort through every domestic and international phone call as they are switched through centers, such as one in New York, and to search for key words or phrases that a terrorist might use.
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He says the number of Americans subject to eavesdropping by the NSA could be in the millions if the full range of secret NSA programs is used.
"That would mean for most Americans that if they conducted, or you know, placed an overseas communication, more than likely they were sucked into that vacuum," Tice said.