entropy
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Except Remington doesn't sell Buckhammers anymore. They were my son's favorite.
Another 870 question, this time about slug guns
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entropy
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Smart man.
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I bought a 870 used a couple of yrs back with 3 barrels, 18", 20" with adj sights and 28" with screw in chokes, I tried all 3 with slugs and the only advantage I saw with the 20" barrel was the sights, they all grouped about the same at 75yrds, I have some 28" and 30" barrels with the truglo rib mounted sites that I think are great. I have some 870 clones that are drilled and tapped for scope mounts, look around maybe you can find one that will work.
Cantilevers are too high for me, even when using the factory high comb stock.
What Id do?
870 express w high comb stock. Drill and tap receiver and weaver base it. 1.5-4x leupold. Rifled bbl and trigger job. Dedicated slug gun running sabots.
Test for cleaning interval and if it needs a fouler or two before going back out.
Gun stays together during season.
Ive run a couple tunes up 870s like that. Mean machines. Hunting bud bought one from me, still uses it.
What Id do?
870 express w high comb stock. Drill and tap receiver and weaver base it. 1.5-4x leupold. Rifled bbl and trigger job. Dedicated slug gun running sabots.
Test for cleaning interval and if it needs a fouler or two before going back out.
Gun stays together during season.
Ive run a couple tunes up 870s like that. Mean machines. Hunting bud bought one from me, still uses it.
Slugs are slow w heavy recoil.
Shorter bbl means less time in rhe bbl, which means more forgiving of shooter form variables.
Smooth bores can shoot well, but typically the m500 outshot the 870s back in the good old days. And we bought all slugs from same lot #. That can screw ya up sometimes.....lot variance
Shorter bbl means less time in rhe bbl, which means more forgiving of shooter form variables.
Smooth bores can shoot well, but typically the m500 outshot the 870s back in the good old days. And we bought all slugs from same lot #. That can screw ya up sometimes.....lot variance
alsaqr
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Yes. i tried the saddle mount on two model 670 guns. Mount was too clunky. My 20 gauge model 670 Express has a cantilever slug barrel. It handles very nicely.
Yes!!! Using Winchester sabot slugs my gun is a great killer of large hogs. Gun handles so well.
I detest the Rem cantilever bbls. Too high.
Saddle mounts can work OK, but usually scratch up the receiver. Used a couple, taped up the inside w Kapton tape.
Not ideal but can make a rig more usable ( optics and old eyes ).
The see through aspect does not help. No reason for it IMHO. Does make the scope sit higher.
The plastic Remington weaver saddle mount is a great idea. It sits low. Unfortunately it has serious quality issues and should be avoided.
Had one when they first came out. Epoxied the nurserts and it was fine. Got one last yr and it went into thw trash right away.
Nope, ill buy another gun and drill and tap it for optics
Turkey hunting
Saddle mounts can work OK, but usually scratch up the receiver. Used a couple, taped up the inside w Kapton tape.
Not ideal but can make a rig more usable ( optics and old eyes ).
The see through aspect does not help. No reason for it IMHO. Does make the scope sit higher.
The plastic Remington weaver saddle mount is a great idea. It sits low. Unfortunately it has serious quality issues and should be avoided.
Had one when they first came out. Epoxied the nurserts and it was fine. Got one last yr and it went into thw trash right away.
Nope, ill buy another gun and drill and tap it for optics
Turkey hunting
If you run a cantilever bbl youll need a hogh comb stock....and dont be surprised when it aint high enough.
Field bbl sucks w high comb stock, as it makes it like a trap gun. Kinda bad if youre used to shooting a flat gun.
So..
IMHO swapping bbls means also swapping buttstocks. PITA. Better is a dedicated slug gun and a beater express works fine
Unfortunately w todays climate, a decent used field or slug model 870 is a hot item. My LGS hasnt had one in months.
Field bbl sucks w high comb stock, as it makes it like a trap gun. Kinda bad if youre used to shooting a flat gun.
So..
IMHO swapping bbls means also swapping buttstocks. PITA. Better is a dedicated slug gun and a beater express works fine
Unfortunately w todays climate, a decent used field or slug model 870 is a hot item. My LGS hasnt had one in months.
entropy
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Remington isn't the only company that makes cantilever barrels for Remington shotguns. Mossberg actually does, but the only one I would own is the Hastings Paradox. The cantilever is lower than Remington's.
Here is some info on the Paradox barrels. I used Burris Zee rings with a Bushnell Sportfield 2.75x on mine.
https://www.hastingsdistribution.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=1
Hastings had a short rail initially and then went longer.
Couplr guys I know had em on 1187 and w 3" said they had 200 yard rigs. They kinda had fun w slug guns and did a lot of testing/ tweaking.
They got em to work like they wanted
But they also thought recoil was fun LOL
Couplr guys I know had em on 1187 and w 3" said they had 200 yard rigs. They kinda had fun w slug guns and did a lot of testing/ tweaking.
They got em to work like they wanted
But they also thought recoil was fun LOL
These guys also didnt stalk or hunt from treestands. This was out of a ground blind w a rest shooting.
However one wants to play the game.
Quick kill is a quick kill
Like another posted......
The ammo aint exactly cheap and add in buying it in bulk for one lot# .
I know my last good slug gun, I bought 10 boxes of HI Supremes. Ouch.
Loved that slug. WW discontinued it and I sold the gun.
However one wants to play the game.
Quick kill is a quick kill
Like another posted......
The ammo aint exactly cheap and add in buying it in bulk for one lot# .
I know my last good slug gun, I bought 10 boxes of HI Supremes. Ouch.
Loved that slug. WW discontinued it and I sold the gun.
Sub 2" groups at 100 yards w my drilled and tapped high comb stocked 870- rifled bbl.
4x Leupold. Have gotten sub 1.5" groups.
That kinda accuracy and the speed of a pump......no reason to go bolt gun. Sear spring change usually a big help.
Yes, i shoot movers. A scope at 1 or 1.5x low.....makes it easy.
Why do you need more than one shot?
Sometimes stuff happens.
I once shot a wide 10 pt on the run, hit perfect first shot. Blasted a sapling not far from the muzzle on shot two and the 3rd mirrored the first as he crested a log. Crumpled on other side stone dead.
Another was bookin mach2 on a drive and this on a tree farm. I just swung through at around 20 yards......he was two rows in and I was on edge in shade kill open area. Bang bang bang. Just like that.
Heard him wheezin farther in. Waited and found him. 3 shots you could cover w palm of hand right at neck shoulder area.....almost lead him too far.
If I dont spot my 1st hit I gave em another.
And c mon, movers are fun. Up close w the right gear they are not " hail mary " stuff.
But gun fit is critical.
If you shoot well on doves you can smoke deer up close on the move. Always shot straight line movers . No bounders
4x Leupold. Have gotten sub 1.5" groups.
That kinda accuracy and the speed of a pump......no reason to go bolt gun. Sear spring change usually a big help.
Yes, i shoot movers. A scope at 1 or 1.5x low.....makes it easy.
Why do you need more than one shot?
Sometimes stuff happens.
I once shot a wide 10 pt on the run, hit perfect first shot. Blasted a sapling not far from the muzzle on shot two and the 3rd mirrored the first as he crested a log. Crumpled on other side stone dead.
Another was bookin mach2 on a drive and this on a tree farm. I just swung through at around 20 yards......he was two rows in and I was on edge in shade kill open area. Bang bang bang. Just like that.
Heard him wheezin farther in. Waited and found him. 3 shots you could cover w palm of hand right at neck shoulder area.....almost lead him too far.
If I dont spot my 1st hit I gave em another.
And c mon, movers are fun. Up close w the right gear they are not " hail mary " stuff.
But gun fit is critical.
If you shoot well on doves you can smoke deer up close on the move. Always shot straight line movers . No bounders
Movers at 4x are doable since i shoot both eyes open. But the mach 2 deer was done w a diff 870 and it had a 1.5-5x iirc.
Older now, eye adaptability is not as fast or good. Up close and fast lesser mag i like.
Shot a couple.deer w 35 rem rife, 2-7x. 50 and 75 yards. Scope not above 3x. Not movers.....single shot rifle LOL.
Older now, eye adaptability is not as fast or good. Up close and fast lesser mag i like.
Shot a couple.deer w 35 rem rife, 2-7x. 50 and 75 yards. Scope not above 3x. Not movers.....single shot rifle LOL.
Leupold 1-4x or similar would be my shotgun scope choice.
Might even do a Freedom one on a clamshell mount if I cant find a 2nd 870 to set up for turkey.
Picked up an open package Aimtech. Somebody tried it and took it off. Couple burrs/ scratchers on inside. Had to polish those away. Sitting w Leupold rifleman low aluminum rings.
Waiting for a scope. Might go reddot on a drilled and tapped rig though.
Might even do a Freedom one on a clamshell mount if I cant find a 2nd 870 to set up for turkey.
Picked up an open package Aimtech. Somebody tried it and took it off. Couple burrs/ scratchers on inside. Had to polish those away. Sitting w Leupold rifleman low aluminum rings.
Waiting for a scope. Might go reddot on a drilled and tapped rig though.
entropy
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Still don't know how to use the post edit feature, I see.
cdb1
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I’ve thought long and hard about replying since I read this yesterday and finally decided to do so. I’ve gotten to where I almost never read your posts anymore because I find them disjointed and hard to comprehend. It seems like you have a lot of valuable knowledge worth sharing though and I would read your posts with relish if they weren’t so difficult to decipher.
There are different communication styles.
IIRC 5 different brain types...........the least common blending both creative and logical
That the one I have.
Actually a good class on diff thinking/culturers was done yrs ago by Shabazz and Assoc.
Don't like it? Don't read it. Newsflash: just because you can't follow, doesn't mean others can't, or that the presentation is wrong.
I am not dumbing it down or changing style.
Not getting paid for this, so don't care. You are not my audience and what I put out some might like.
If not, they can skip it too.
I have fans, and I have critics. So be it.
Just shows once again how some in the gun community are narrow minded and petty.
Must be electrical engineers LOL
IIRC 5 different brain types...........the least common blending both creative and logical
That the one I have.
Actually a good class on diff thinking/culturers was done yrs ago by Shabazz and Assoc.
Don't like it? Don't read it. Newsflash: just because you can't follow, doesn't mean others can't, or that the presentation is wrong.
I am not dumbing it down or changing style.
Not getting paid for this, so don't care. You are not my audience and what I put out some might like.
If not, they can skip it too.
I have fans, and I have critics. So be it.
Just shows once again how some in the gun community are narrow minded and petty.
Must be electrical engineers LOL
Now, ya wanna talk slug guns or not?
Hit the LGS yesterday and only an old H&R heavy bbl slug gun on the rack.
Am thinking a reflex sight mounted closer to the eye, on the receiver w a low Weaver type rib.
Might be usable as a slug gun, turkey gun and even HD.
The new Rem models, some are factory drilled and tapped.
Do not know the hole spacing, IIRC its 3 equispaced.
Used a Weaver base for a 742 Remington, when I D&T'd a couple of 870s.
Been so long ago, I can't remember if I ran 3 of the 4 holes or what.
Did em in a mill, took the base to my lab and shadow'd it for measurement- made a drawing.
Since then my drawing has disappeared. Have no idea what the hole spacing came out.
Note: the Express line has a flat on top of the receiver. The reg 870 and even the SP models, have a slight trough/recess
for the sight plane on the receiver (or used to). The Sportsman pump and autos are round top.
Those wishing to build a slug gun often sought out the Sportsmans, as it got em a couple more threads.
The sportsmans were the pre Express models.
Once Remington came out w the Express, all 12 ga were magnum receivers.
The Sportsmans were not matte finish. And yeah, the rounded top is a bit funky. I had a 12 auto Sportsman.
If I can find another pump in magnum, I might build my turkey gun off it.
Hit the LGS yesterday and only an old H&R heavy bbl slug gun on the rack.
Am thinking a reflex sight mounted closer to the eye, on the receiver w a low Weaver type rib.
Might be usable as a slug gun, turkey gun and even HD.
The new Rem models, some are factory drilled and tapped.
Do not know the hole spacing, IIRC its 3 equispaced.
Used a Weaver base for a 742 Remington, when I D&T'd a couple of 870s.
Been so long ago, I can't remember if I ran 3 of the 4 holes or what.
Did em in a mill, took the base to my lab and shadow'd it for measurement- made a drawing.
Since then my drawing has disappeared. Have no idea what the hole spacing came out.
Note: the Express line has a flat on top of the receiver. The reg 870 and even the SP models, have a slight trough/recess
for the sight plane on the receiver (or used to). The Sportsman pump and autos are round top.
Those wishing to build a slug gun often sought out the Sportsmans, as it got em a couple more threads.
The sportsmans were the pre Express models.
Once Remington came out w the Express, all 12 ga were magnum receivers.
The Sportsmans were not matte finish. And yeah, the rounded top is a bit funky. I had a 12 auto Sportsman.
If I can find another pump in magnum, I might build my turkey gun off it.
cdb1
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Not a problem. Tried to be nice. Ignore button time.
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