Another cop story

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fitoo1

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After posting on another thread about good police officers and the good work they do. I got to thinking about a situation that happened to me a 7 or 8 years ago. Its more of a confession I guess bare with me and tell me what you think.

I was a deputy Sheriff for a north central Indiana county. I was working afternoon shift and there were four of us working. There are two districts in our county east and west. If there are more the three people working the additional officers are considered "back up" to the district cars. I was assigned back up on the west end of the county and was instruced by my supervisor to patro a certain area as we were having some daytime burglaries. I was not to be assigend calls, I was just to observe a few houses in a particular nieghborhood (we had a good idea who as doing the burglaries).

About 8pm I was dispatched to the far eastern part of our county for a stranded motorist. I called dispatch and reminded them of what I suppose to be doing, and realizing this, every one else was busy and I had to go anyhow. As an added little part of this...I had just had a nice little fight with my wife at the time about my toddler son dialing 911 to talk to daddy for the umpteenth time. Anyhow, here I go almost thirty miles across the county. Now I understand that when the public calls for help they want it NOW...to much TV I guess...but I can since relate. I get to the stranded motorist..now it gets good.

She was a friendly lady in her late thirties I suppose, it was a cool night so her vehicle was running for warmth, it wasnt cold...just cool. She was parked about thirty yards from a driveway leading to a farmhouse (it was a rural area). I walked up to the car and asked what the problem was...she said..."well Im real low on gas, i dont have any money and I dont think Im going to make it to the next town. Can you take me to the next town (which was not in the same county) and get me some gas and bring me back?" I asked her if she had come through Greentown (about five miles back) she said she had, but she was headed to another town.(?) I said "okay...do you have a gas can?" she said "no, arent you suppose to carry one in your car (which is illegal mind you), and by the way what took you so long to get here? Ive had four or five people stop and ask if they could help me and I told them now becuase I knew a police officer would be by here soon enough I called more than a half hour ago" I could feel my face getting red. I called my supervisor and asked if I could fulfill her request that I take her out of our county to get her some gas. He said no take her to the town she just came through, get her some gas take her back and send her on her way. I told her what my supervisor had told me and she got angry at me at reminded me that wasnt the way she was headed. It told her that was the only help I could give her, other than calling someone to come and get her etc...

It was about that time another officer had a high risk traffic stop initiated and needed back up, he was a few miles from me and dispatch sent me. I told the lady i would be right back, I had an emergency to attend to. When I returned she was standing in the road, looking at her watch and tapping her foot. It had been about ten minutes. When I approached her she told me to go away, she had other help on the way, her son, who lived just a few miles away was on his way to come and help her, she didnt need my help anymore. I did the wrong thing and scolded her for not being more willing to help herself out of the situation she was in. I told her that she would have been waiting for a long time for a cop to happen by as she was in a very rural part of the county that doesnt see too much traffic, other than the state highway that was just a mile away. I told her that if every one was like her the roads would be lined with old cars with corpses in them. Her son arrived and she left in a huff.

I know what I said was wrong. I know that my job is/was to help people. But it does irk me that people cant solve problems themselves. The want to call the government to solve theyre problems.

Which is worse...an indignant cop or a dingbat helpless citizen.
 
Some of us around here ARE concerned with what appear to be patterns of "issues" surrounding law enforcement (connected with guns or otherwise) but believe me, this isn't the sort of thing that gets our goats :).
 
Old cars with corpses! Brilliant!

Those that start with rudeness shouldn't act so surprised they get rudeness in return.


gp911
 
Highly unprofessional if you ask me. Where to you get the nerve to treat a citizen in such disregard. Its people like you that give cops bad names. You should be ashamed of yourself. :evil:

Personally, I would have left her there and called a tow truck to give her gas.
 
A dingbat citizen is by far worse than an indignant cop.

Her son lived two miles down and she called the police..:banghead: :banghead:

You are responsible for public Safety... Not Dip**** citizens.(well technically you work does deal with Dip****'s but on a different level.

You are not a taxi, you are not AAA, you are not the state funded whipping boy to be at the beckoned call of every Sheep that can't buy gas for her car but doesn't want to call her son, or go back to the town because it is "not the direction she was going". You should be a last resort call when she is in actually need of help. Not as a convenience. The fact that you feel bad about this incident speaks volumes about your character and renews my faith peace officers as a whole, but you cannot please everyone, all the time.

Keep the faith, and be safe out there.

AF_int1n0
 
I'm surprised you had the restraint you showed. I know I would have been a little upset that I was drug out of a much more important duty to help some lady get gas (who wasn't even out of gas!). She even said she had many offers of help from others. She wasted your precious time and could have cost someone their life (ie, the thieves breaking into someone's house that you were watching). I believe your scolding of her was well-founded and necessary.
 
My brother ran out of gas in a remote portion of Northern Michigan and was given a gallon free by a state trooper. The trooper also told him how to find the nearest gas station. He was very grateful. He was a long way from anywhere and over 4 hours from home.
 
It doesn't sound like what you did was so bad. Scolding someone is no big deal as long as you weren't abusive. And the fact that she was kind of rude to you first (asking you why you took so long to get there) makes it even more justified.

I have no problem with cops who express anger as long as they don't bully or harm people in the process. Hell, I don't even get angry when I get a speeding ticket.


FWIW, behavior that I don't think should be tolerated from police (and I'm NOT saying that this applies to you or anyone else here) includes:

(1) Any behavior that people don't tolerate from non-police.

(2) Bullying. It's nothing other than cowardly to get in someone's face and yell insults at them when you have weapons, five other cops standing behind you, and the full support of the Almighty State. I've seen this happen more than once.

(3) The willing enforcement of blatantly unconstitutional laws, such as most gun and drug laws. If someone is selling dope to children, then by all means, bust him. But anyone who's just minding his own business and wasting his own life and time doing drugs in the privacy of his own home is NOT a criminal. Neither are those who sell drugs to consenting adults. Each of us absolutely owns his own body and health, regardless of what tyrannical laws are on the books or what the majority thinks.

(4) Lying in court, planting evidence, etc. These should be capital offenses as far as I'm concerned.

(5) The unnecessary use of force. The job of the police is not to punish criminals. That's the job of the courts. Police who administer "street justice" are themselves criminals.

(6) Aiding or abetting fellow officers who do any of the above.

Unfortunately, the percentage of cops who engage in the above activities seems to be very high, especially in certain departments that have a paramilitary mindset. The result is that the good cops who only want to help people often don't get the credit they deserve and tend to be lumped in with the authoritarian bullies and adrenaline-addicted thugs in their ranks.

Anyway, to summarize, giving a woman a good talking-to is hardly the type of thing that makes someone a bad cop. There are far worse things you could be doing!
 
Why in the world would she want you to drive her to the next county only to get gas and bring her back if there was another gas station much closer? The "way she was heading" has nothing do do with it.
 
some women

are like that i was in the snow and had a "lady" pass me after tailgating on a winding road. about a mile up her excursion was in the ditch i stopped to help her but paused to call my wife let het know i was gonna be late as i was talking lady went off demanded i hang up and pull her out NOW! i looked at her hung up put the winch away got in my truck and left.
 
WIW, behavior that I don't think should be tolerated from police includes:


(3) The willing enforcement of blatantly unconstitutional laws, such as most gun and drug laws. If someone is selling dope to children, then by all means, bust him. But anyone who's just minding his own business and wasting his own life and time doing drugs in the privacy of his own home is NOT a criminal. Neither are those who sell drugs to consenting adults. Each of us absolutely owns his own body and health, regardless of what tyrannical laws are on the books or what the majority thinks.


I don't see how you can blame police for this. Police don't make law, they enforce it. I'm sorry, but if I'm said police officer, I'm not going to lose my job and be unable to support my family just because of some drug law which may or may not be constitutional.
 
i was in the snow and had a "lady" pass me after tailgating on a winding road. about a mile up her excursion was in the ditch i stopped to help her but paused to call my wife let het know i was gonna be late as i was talking lady went off demanded i hang up and pull her out NOW! i looked at her hung up put the winch away got in my truck and left.

sometimes you just have to wonder what is going on in someone's mind.
 
lol

turns out she lives 5 houses down her old man apologised to me for her she never did still glares i love it
 
I get the impression from the story that she was idling he car for at least 1/2 an hours when there was a town 5 miles the other way? Now that is stupidity.
 
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WIW, behavior that I don't think should be tolerated from police includes:


(3) The willing enforcement of blatantly unconstitutional laws, such as most gun and drug laws. If someone is selling dope to children, then by all means, bust him. But anyone who's just minding his own business and wasting his own life and time doing drugs in the privacy of his own home is NOT a criminal. Neither are those who sell drugs to consenting adults. Each of us absolutely owns his own body and health, regardless of what tyrannical laws are on the books or what the majority thinks.


I don't see how you can blame police for this. Police don't make law, they enforce it. I'm sorry, but if I'm said police officer, I'm not going to lose my job and be unable to support my family just because of some drug law which may or may not be constitutional.

That's where the beef is, with the ENFORCEMENT of bad laws. It didn't work for the Gestapo and is shouldn't work here. "Just following orders" doesn't cut it.
 
Police don't make law, they enforce it.

In California and elsewhere it IS law enforcement that decide whether or not you get a CCW. They have been given rulemaking powers and abuse it left and right.

In most cases it is lower-level brass that make the decisions, in some cases it's the top guy in the dept. But where racism, gender bias and corruption are visibly rampant in the process and in many cases, the whole department *knows* it, then yes, that causes me to distrust every officer still willing to work there.

An agency is either clean or corrupt. Period. If you're a cop who realizes it ain't clean, you shouldn't be there helping prop up a diseased system. Walk away, encourage anybody else clean to do likewise, let it eventually collapse.
 
An agency is either clean or corrupt. Period. If you're a cop who realizes it ain't clean, you shouldn't be there helping prop up a diseased system. Walk away, encourage anybody else clean to do likewise, let it eventually collapse.


So, according to the logic of the argument, everyone who believes in the 2nd amendment should leave the United States and wait for it to collapse and give rebirth to a gun friendly society? You can't make a system better by just moving on somewhere else, you're just giving more power to the corrupt.
 
I think that this is a perfect example of what police are for. When a jackass screws up it is the polices duty to remind them that they are supposed to take care of themselves.

The woman in the original posters story reminds me of the many soccer moms who populate my hometown. They think the world revolves around them and the police should beckon to their every whim.

I think you behaved in an appropriate manner and that it is a very sad day in society when people are this stupid. My belief is that the woman may have just wanted free gas. Her son could have helped her due to the fact he was so close. She wanted to know if he had a gas can with gas she could have also reinforces my theory. And the fact that she didnt want to turn around and get gas at the closest station really enforces the fact.

Either way I think you behaved appropriately and that you feel guilty is a testament to your character.

Either way its not like you tazed her or shot her right? You didnt call out SWAT did you?:scrutiny:


:D
 
Maybe she was pulling your chain, just a little bit. I think she was a lookout for the burglarys you have been having in the area.

JM.02
 
You know, I know I know I wasnt out of line. I guess I just wanted to present to you a situation that cops have to deal with all the time and think of that the next time a cop might be a it cross.

I was discplined, nearly suspended for how this incident occurred and my response to it. It what happens when you work for a polititian who forgot he was a cop once.

Im not a cop anymore. I see/saw the writing on the wall and came to the terms that Im not cut out for where law enforcement went/is going.

:banghead:
 
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