Another dog run in, this one deadly

[gazpacho]

Given the scenario, I don't see how anyone could have used OC without hosing the collie. And given it's wounds, the OC conceiveably could have finished it off.

Maybe someone could invent steel toed running shoes.

 

[dev_null]

http://www.redwingshoes.com/productdetails.aspx?prodid=1462

OK, OK, so it's really a hiking shoe.

 

[esheato]

Given the scenario, I don't see how anyone could have used OC without hosing the collie.

I think the point was to OC the aggressor before he had the collie dangling from his mouth.

Ed

 

[Hal Romberg]

But what would a ninja do to stop the fight????

 

[Low-Sci]

To the original poster, that was well done. Given the situation as it was, I don't think you could have handled it much better except to make it more clear that the stray dog was actually dangerous. No passives, you don't think it is, you know it is. Don't say "stray," call it what it is. Dangerous.

Of course that's not to pick at what you did, not in the least. I hope I handle myself as well when the situation arises. I don't think I would have thought of kicking the dog. I would more likely have thought to go for a tackle, which would have been a bad idea. So I'll remember that.

All other things being equal, you have to know how to handle yourself even when you're unarmed. You can't always count on having a stick of certain dimensions with you, won't always remember to bring mace and a knife and a kel-tec and a cell phone everywhere you go. So bearin that in mind, good job.

 

[LAK]

In addition to stabbing, a knife can be useful against a dog simply held out and used to slash the nose/mouth/face area as opportunity presents itself if the animal presses an attack. Animals like dogs are usually smart enough to be very cautious about any pointy object extended in a threatening manner, just as they would normally resist rushing headlong into the antlers of a deer. If this reaction is perceived, the animal might be forced back until it is pursuaded to leave.

A sjambok is a useful piece of gear; not something that is suitable for wearing on a belt perhaps but with a wrist thong could be strung high around the shoulders with a strap or webbing sling.

Some pepper sprays might be effective against dogs - or a small spray bottle with a solution of water and household ammonia would no doubt upset the senses of most canines.

If the animal is rabid it may not be deterred by things of injuries that may make an otherwise healthy animal retreat. And in the case of the tougher smaller animals like pitbulls, and the larger ones, it is imperative you stay on your feet whatever happens.

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[mondocomputerman]

Well done. I think now it's a great time to help her be more aware of her surroundings.

 

[Spiphel Rike]

"or a small spray bottle with a solution of water and household ammonia would no doubt upset the senses of most canines."

Does anyone know a way to make the ammonia more concentrated?

 

[carpettbaggerr]

Fractional distillation.

Though it's a good way to get

nasopharyngeal and tracheal burns, bronchiolar and alveolar edema, and airway destruction resulting in respiratory distress or failure.

http://atsdr1.atsdr.cdc.gov:8080/MHMI/mmg126.html

 

[1911 guy]

In honor of Sir Malice.

I forget who said it, but, "Not all knights are good men. But all good men are knights."

Good job.

 

[Rafterman191]

Good choice all around

kicking is an option I have used in a similiar situation. I live in a neighborhood completely unlike the yours. I guarantee there is a large stray dog within 1 block of my house wandering around. I guess I may just be a little shorter fused but if I am being challenged near my house by man or beast, I take it rather personally. Having 2 kids probably has something to do with it as well. I guess just try to remember that as a man, you are responsible the safe keeping of those who are unable to fend for themselves. Keep in mind, a dog is constantly testing the boundries of what is his territory and what is not. Show him immedietly that this area is not for him. Arm yourself with a stick, or rocks and go after that sucker like you want its hide on your wall. He will mentally get the idea usually before you even have to go upside his head.

 

[dfaugh]

Next: an untrained dog attacking a person will jump up at your throat. That's when he's most vulnerable to a knife-based defense at his throat or chest.

Sorry, but mostly untrue...Most will go for an arm or a leg...I've trained dogs with "high defense" drives, and most will take what they can "safely" get. If they come in high they know they are vulnerable....Usually they "get in and get out" quickly, then re-attack if still threatened. They will go for head/throat if you are on the ground, but otherwise will take an easier target.

The classic defense is to wrap something around your off forearm, feed it that and then stab it in the throat when it locks on. Untrained will lock, trained will disengage and come back

OK, TOTALLY wrong. Trained dogs are trained to bite and HOLD on for dear life. My trained dogs will hold on to a "sleeve" until they drop dead from exhaustion. Even after the "decoy" has let go of the sleeve. The ones with high defense, will let go of the sleeve and go for a leg (or crotch), as soon as the sleeve stops moving (its a prey object). And, you better have something VERY substantial to wrap around your arm...My prize Shutzhund dog can crush a competition sleeve (which is VERY heavily constucted) to the point where it is difficult to get the sleeve off your arm...He'll even leave bruises. And this is a German Shepherd which doesn't have the jaw strength of, say, a Rottweiler or Mastiff. A big dog, with a full grip will break the bones in your arm, even with alot of padding.

I would never try to "fight" a big dog with a knife...They can move too fast, and absorb an incredible amount of damage. You might get lucky, but I wouldn't bet on it. (And yes, I've had to fight a dog on occasion, while training. Best just to get outa the way of his/her teeth. I have grabbed a couple by the throat, when I got an opening, and while squeezing HARD to cut off their breath, pinned them to the ground. Again, don't try this at home!)

Case in point: I worked in a garage, years ago where we had a BIG German Shepherd as a guard dog. Some dirt bag broke in and the dog went after him. The BG stabbed the dog 4 times in the chest and stomach. Dog survived...They took the BG (after he managed to escape back out a window) outa there on a stretcher.. He pretty much looked like hamburger.

 

[1911Tuner]

Dogfightin'

dfaugh...Thank you for clarifying that. I'm surprised at the number of people who really believe that they can handle even a mid-sized dog(50-75 pounds) that is serious and committed to an attack...unarmed and without training. Note that a bite is not an attack. Most bites are grab and release warnings that usually stop with that, but can escalate into an attack if the dog still feels threatened or encroached. Any dog will bite if the right buttons are pushed, and most bites can be avoided with a little common sense.