Another "gun writer" plants head firmly...

[SteveS]

Thanks PY. I've taken some grief for my "arsenal," so I know that can be frustrating. As a hunter, I get irritated at the selfishness of some of my bretheren, but you should know that most other hunters get just as mad.

BTW, I douse myself in scent-blockers, not deer piss. I use the piss for covering my trail or for placing in a tree and I am careful not to get it on me. It stinks.

 

[ezypikns]

My definition of a Hypocrite.

Someone who supports my 2nd ammendment rights.......but only if I use my weapon in ways they think are proper.


That is gun control.


Mr. Zumbo and people like this are blood brothers.

 

[the pistolero]

Sporting purpose enthusiasts that think their guns are the only legitimate ones are obviously wrong, but I think it is just as wrong to assert any other purpose as the correct one.

As do I. No one of them is correct; they all are -- although I would be very interested to see what percentage of handgun/EBR-type guys see their passion as the correct use of a firearm vs. what percentage of hunters see their passion as the correct use. I believe the handgun & EBR guys are so vocal about their passion because of the percentage of the hunters who would throw them under the bus if some gun-hating politician promised the hunters they wouldn't be affected. However, I have been known to miss the mark before.

To some, gun ownership is a sport. They are not interested in defensive shooting or the practice that goes with it. I don't share this, but that is their choice.

I am not sure the people you describe would see "gun ownership" as a sport so much as a "necessary evil," for lack of a better term. A sport, I would think, would be something you wanted to get out and do as often as you could. I bought my first gun for safety, but once I rediscovered how much fun it was to get out and shoot it, I started going as often as I could. Which usually translates to weekly.

 

[Tim Burke]

I was once told by an anti-gun activist that "I won't be happy until every one of you gun freaks is shot dead and the gutters run with your blood."

Should have just told her, "Yes, I know."
Gun control is not about guns, it's about control. The ones pushing it think they are going to be in control.

 

[F4GIB]

And you thought Zumbo was bad.

This guy makes Fudd into a four letter word.

http://terriermandotcom.blogspot.com/2007/03/zumbo-was-mostly-right.html

 

[SteveS]

As do I. No one of them is correct; they all are -- although I would be very interested to see what percentage of handgun/EBR-type guys see their passion as the correct use of a firearm vs. what percentage of hunters see their passion as the correct use. I believe the handgun & EBR guys are so vocal about their passion because of the percentage of the hunters who would throw them under the bus if some gun-hating politician promised the hunters they wouldn't be affected. However, I have been known to miss the mark before.

You may be right, but I think the percentages may be close. If all, or even most, gun owners were politically active in some way, there wouldn't be much gun control. Even if you combined the members of the NRA, JPFO, SAF, and GOA, they would only comprise a small percentage of gun owners. Most just don't seem to care. I know that doesn't mean they would throw other gun owners under the bus, but I doubt they do much to support gun rights.

 

[F4GIB]

I know that doesn't mean they would throw other gun owners under the bus,...

Right. They'd just stand there and silently watch it happen. Hoping those doing the throwing don't look at them.

The HG/EBR guys support the hunters about 95%, while the hunters support the HG/EBR guys about 30%. THAT's the problem that Zumbo brought into the spotlight.

 

[jerkface11]

I'm a shooter first and a hunter second. Some people don't care about guns or gun rights as long as they can hunt. They're generally the ones who get philosophical about hunting. To me it's meat on the table.

 

[.cheese.]

I thought we agreed to stop using the word "Fudd" ?

 

[koja48]

Conversion, education: good.

Aversion, hostile commentary: bad.

I own both black rifles & wood & blue models. My goal is to KEEP ALL OF THEM.

Yours should be the same, regardless of your particular firearm affinity. The anger of the moment converted to rash reaction has doomed many a warrior . . .

 

[koja48]

And not all of the education needs to be attained by "hunters." We can reap the benefit ourselves . . .

 

[ezypikns]

Amen, Brother.

Conversion, education: good.

Aversion, hostile commentary: bad.

I own both black rifles & wood & blue models. My goal is to KEEP ALL OF THEM.

Yours should be the same, regardless of your particular firearm affinity. The anger of the moment converted to rash reaction has doomed many a warrior . . .

 

[gunsmith]

he is a minor league player

looking to get some internet hits.

 

[swingset]

I thought we agreed to stop using the word "Fudd" ?

I didn't get that memo, but here we go I'll play by the rules.

This guy is a stereotypical and ignorant recreational hunter that views his hobby as the reason the 2nd amendment exists, harshly and unfairly judges those who use guns for personal protection or own military weapons as nuts or fringe whackjobs.

Damn. That's a lot of typing when "Fudd" says the exact same thing.

If he didn't live up to the negative stereotype, then we wouldn't call him one. If folks call all hunters "Fudds", then it's a destructive term. Otherwise, it's just accurate reporting.

 

[RioShooter]

All mass media portrays private gun owners in a poor light and the Outdoor Channel is no exception. Isn't it obvious?

No it isn't. The programming of The Outdoor Channel seems very pro-gun to me. Just watch their Wednesday line-up; Shooting Gallery, Shooting USA, Guns and Ammo, The American Rifleman (my favorite) and Personal Defense TV (2nd favorite).

These shows promote gun ownership, gun sports, guns for personal defense and gun collecting. What more do you want?:banghead:

 

[thirty-thirty]

No it isn't. The programming of The Outdoor Channel seems very pro-gun to me

Just pay attention next time you watch it. Notice that they select the dorkiest yahoos to portay hunters most of the time. They show hunts that involve almost no sportsmanship. Flabby guys with high pitched voices in full camo with a guide telling them how to shoot their scoped rifle at a dumb animal 200 yards away. No challenge whatsoever. When you view it, do so in the perspective of the non-hunter who was flipping through the channels and just stopped out of curiousity.

I could think of much better ways to portray hunters and shooters.

 

[johndoegun]

I know most everyone knows about this, but for those shooters that are just coming on board...

Gun writers Jim Zumbo (Outdoor Life, G&A, and more) Bill McRae (outdoor author), and Thomas McIntyre (Field & Stream and more) have yet again added to the attack on our second amendment rights, by stating their opinions on AR and AK rifles.

In a nutshell if you haven't read or responded to what Jim Zumbo, as well as Bill McRae and Thomas McIntyre have stated, and whether or not the AR semi auto's appeal to you as a shooter- I have listed below their statements and instructions for easy email response to the email list of some of their current industry sponsors. If you wish to respond (and WE NEED you to!!), please help fight back:

****Jim Zumbo at Outdoor Life:
http://outdoorlife.blogs.com/zumbo/2...t_rifles_.html

Quote:

Assault Rifles For Hunters?

As I write this, I'm hunting coyotes in southeastern Wyoming with Eddie Stevenson, PR Manager for Remington Arms, Greg Dennison, who is senior research engineer for Remington, and several writers. We're testing Remington's brand new .17 cal Spitfire bullet on coyotes.

I must be living in a vacuum. The guides on our hunt tell me that the use of AR and AK rifles have a rapidly growing following among hunters, especially prairie dog hunters. I had no clue. Only once in my life have I ever seen anyone using one of these firearms.

I call them "assault" rifles, which may upset some people. Excuse me, maybe I'm a traditionalist, but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity. I'll go so far as to call them "terrorist" rifles. They tell me that some companies are producing assault rifles that are "tackdrivers."

Sorry, folks, in my humble opinion, these things have no place in hunting. We don't need to be lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them, which is an obvious concern. I've always been comfortable with the statement that hunters don't use assault rifles. We've always been proud of our "sporting firearms."

This really has me concerned. As hunters, we don't need the image of walking around the woods carrying one of these weapons. To most of the public, an assault rifle is a terrifying thing. Let's divorce ourselves from them. I say game departments should ban them from the prairies and woods.

February 16, 2007 in Hunting

****(post from an industry gun writer David M. Fortier 2-18-07)

As most of you would guess, there is a lot of activity inside the industry right now, despite it being a Sunday.

Another writer Bill McRae has stepped up supporting Zumbo and agreeing with his feelings on banning assault weapons.

Here is a email forwarded to me

On Sunday, February 18, 2007, at 01:17 PM, Bill McRae wrote:

Shirley and Friends
I agree wholeheartedly with Jim on this and I don't give a damn who does or does not like it. Furthermore, I applaud Jim for having
had the courage to say what he said.
Bill McRae

----- Original Message -----
From: Shirley Steffen
To: Karin Levine ; Lamar Underwood ; Bill McRae ; Bob Pilgrim - Taubert ; Ian McMurchy ; John Fasano ; John Phillips ; John Plaster ; Ted Nugent ; Wiley Clapp ; Walt Rauch ; Wayne Van Zwoll ; Lamar Underwood
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 9:27 AM
Subject: Fwd: Zumbo on 'terrorist rifles' in the hunting fields

He's not alone either, I had Thomas McIntyre get in my face once on a hunt with Swarovski. He was as rabid as an anti-gun piece of sh*t, and felt they should be banned. Bryce Townsley was there and Bryce and I both gave him hell

So Bill McRae and Thomas McIntyre are both pieces of sh*t you should be aware of.

David M. Fortier
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****Email list so far.

All you have to do to reply is write your email letter, then select, copy, and paste all these emails as one into your send address bar and they will all get sent at once.

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ashley.rosenfeld@ time4.com
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gregory.baradat@ remington.com
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Here's a copy of my letter. Feel free to use what you wish:

Dear shooting sports industry companies and corporations,

I would like to notify those of you who support and/or sponsor Jim Zumbo, as well as Bill McRae and Thomas McIntyre- that I will be boycotting your products, and actively promoting your business dealings with these individuals via the internet to every single gun owner, forum, and club I can find to seek out to spread the word.

The AR-15 is the M1 Garand of my generation and also a fine hunting and bench rest shooting rifle and I will not sit by and let these so called second amendment supporting phonies do further damage to our right to keep and bear arms in this great country of ours, by spewing their statements and beliefs amongst your product advertising.

With all sincerity,

Pat

Outdoor Writer Bill McRae's CORRECT contact info is:

[email protected]
40 Sherman Lane
P.O. Box 160
Choteau, MT 59422-0160
(406) 466-5596

 

[sm]

Gun Control is about Control - Period!

It does not matter what type of gun, type material it is made of, the caliber ,gauge or any type of projectile it uses, including BBs or paint balls.
It does not matter what gender, race, religion, creed, or sexual preference one has.
It does not matter what one does, or does not do with a "gun". The goal is control - period.
It does not matter if one collects for historical purposes, sentimental value, or possesses a gun for hunting, recreational fun, competition , or serious use.

Gun control is about Control - Period.

So Tyranny uses different strategy and tactics to Control.
One is to pit individuals against each other, "distract, divide and conquer".

Multiple strategy and tacti are implemented, type of projectiles, the number of these projectiles a "gun" will hold, rate of fire a "gun" will propel these projectiles...

History shows one effective means of Control is "distinguish" the needs of Police, and Military versus those of ordinary people.
Sometimes the Military are the Police and sometimes the Governing body of a people are the Military.

Therefore anything that the Governing Body, Miltary, Police use, are not allowed by ordinary folks.

Model 10 .38spl revolver was issued to Police, and Military.
Model 19 , Model 36, 37, 60, 66 are other Smith and Wesson handguns issued to and carried by Police.

Colt Detective Specials, along with other Colt Revolvers were also issued, and used by Police Agencies.

Model 1897 shotgun were issued and used by Military and Police. So were Model 12s, Ithaca 37, and 870s.

Winchester bolt action rifle Model 70 in 30-06 was issued and used in the Military.
Carlos Hathcock , with 93 confirmed kills as a Sniper in Vietnam used a Model 70, in 30-06 for instance.

Browning Highpower and Colt 1911 are two semi-auto handguns that have a proven history all over the world, including the USA, for being used by Military and Police.

Gun control is about control - period.

It does not matter if that old Model 97 pump shotgun has bluing missing, and a cracked stock and holds so many memories of a long passed relative - The Military and/or Police issued and used that gun - So YOU may no possess it.

Ruger MKI .22 semi auto pistol , is "just" a .22 semi-auto pistol. YOU may not possess this gun, not even for plinking, or teaching a kid how to shoot.
US Military had these guns and used them. YOU may not posses this gun.

That Ithaca 37 Grandpa bought to use when he worked as a small County Sheriff Deputy, the one he bought with a 18.5" barrel. YOU may not possess this gun. It does not matter it is sentimental, It does not matter it felled a lot of quail...

You see ONLY the Military & Police have the need for a shotgun barrel less than 26".
Please turn in ALL shotgun barrels less than 26", you are just an ordinary person.

Ruger Six series, P series,
Glocks, Kimbers, HKs, Sigs...
S&W 3913, 4506...

Calibers from .22 short to .50cal, shotgun gauges in 12 and 20.
Military & Police issued and used.

Maybe Tyranny will let you kept that single shot .410.
If you turn it in maybe you can an extra helping of hash and extra piece of bread - maybe.

 

[Justin]

For the love of Pete...

THE ZUMBO AFFAIR IS OVER!

We've got bigger fish to fry now, and we need to prep for 2008, and you guys want to continue to rehash something that's old frickin' news.

Seriously.

Get over it.