Another next gun thread - carry .45s

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I would have suggested that you stay with your Glock 19 for ease of carry and reliability or used the SW1911 if you preferred that platform - as was said, what you carry the pistol in makes all the difference. The pistol looks good and I hope it runs smooth but please keep us posted as to how it works....I noticed that it has the external extractor - I'm just leary of those things on a 1911....yeah, I'm more of a "purist"....lol...

Good luck,
Ken
 
The Glock is a carry gun too (tho in Summer I generally prefer the Kahr I just got) but I wanted something in a 1911 as I shoot them a bit better and just for a change. The SW is an option but the grip prints a tad and besides the only complaint I have with the SW is the bluing is a tad fragile. This way I just switch off between 1911 and DAO 9mm as I feel like it.
 
Ken, I have a full size Patriot with that external extractor and I have no problems with feeding, firing, extracting, or ejecting. It ain't a Colt, it ain't a Kimber, it ain't a Springfield, it ain't a Smith, It ain't...

It's a Dan W! ;)
 
dmallind, I don't understand your reluctance to carry you S&W 1911. If it fits you well and you trust it, who cares about some holster wear? If you ever have to use your weapon to defend yourself or your loved ones, a little "white metal" will be the last thing on your mind. Having a weapon that is too pretty to shoot and carry is like being married to Miss America and having seperate bed rooms. Why bother? :confused:
Just my $0.02 worth. Good luck and shoot well.
 
Yep it's a little foible of mine I know and not necessarily objective but I dislike marring a well designed and attractive product regardless of its intended use. Watches, pens, books even - I'm a bit of a perfectionist with my stuff (ironically I dress rather slobbishly at least by comparison). If it were the only gun I had to carry I would do so, but given the option of a more robust finish - especially with a shorter more concealable grip - I went this route.

Besides - it's an excuse to buy another 1911. how can that be a bad thing ? :)
 
FWIW, my long term carry .45 ACP is (and had been since 1988) a West German DA/SA SIG-SAUER P220A. Being a full sized handgun, I do
conceal it quite well; even when dressed in walking shorts and a t-shirt.
The reason I chose this weapon is because of its utter reliability, combat
accuracy, craftsmanship, and ease of operation. If I could only have one,
then brother this would be it! :) :cool: :D
 
dmallind: Just be very mindfull of the "muscle memory" problem with switching from a DAO to a 1911 - that thumb has to be trained to manipulate that safety or you'll be squeezing the trigger with no "boom" when you need it. Going from a 1911 to a DAO is no problem - it doesn't matter if the thumb tries to swipe the safety or not - but going the other way does require "training" or "retraining" the thumb.


Frandy: You got a full size that works well with the external extractor - that's great - btw, how many rds thru it so far? I really appreciate your input on these things.


Thanks,
Ken
 
Yep indeed Ken. I hope I never have to find out in a stress situation but in training I'm fine because I use the same grip for everything - with a "high thumb" where the safety on a 1911 would be, so no need to change the grip from one platform to the other. I ride the safety while shooting too, so as long as that muscle memory works I should be OK. If it doesn't and I fall into a completely different grip I may very well be SOL for a second or so. Hope it never comes to that of course!

As far as external extractors go I personally have no ownership (though I have used one or two) of anything else. My SW1911 has one and I like it - the only FTE I have had so far is on a rapid fire drill using cheap aluminum Blazers out of maybe 750 rounds to date. Also had a couple of wild-ish shots on that drill so probably shifting grip/limpwristing on my part rather than the extractor.

Somewhat embarrassingly this was on my carry permit test - I was hitting everything into the white COM area using the standard blue lifesized targets until we got into the final test which was five shots, drop mag, reload, five more as fast as possible at 7 yrds. I hit one shot from each mag right where the BGs right clavicle and anterior deltoid overlap. A painful and no doubt debilitating hit with a .45 maybe, but not exactly where I was trying to put them. Still - good enough to pass the test and work in real life so no worries - besides I would imagine the four in each mag that did hit COM would have stopped the bugger most likely!
 
Frandy: You got a full size that works well with the external extractor - that's great - btw, how many rds thru it so far? I really appreciate your input on these things.

Ken, I bought my Patriot used and the original owner claimed he put 500-600 through it. I've got another 500 through it. So, this baby doesn't have a lot through it, but so far so good. If the extractor fails, so be it...me getzz another.

Frandy
 
Frandy, About a 1,000 rds without a bobble is pretty good, I've not heard a lot of good things about them but it seems to be the way they're going on a lot of makes of 1911 pistols....I've just gotten use to the "old" ones and tend to prefer their user friendly simplicity. Does the external extractor look to be user replaceable?

Thanks,
Ken
 
Not meaning to hijack the thread here.....

Zak, what were your teething issues? 10,000 rds is a good testimony to your pistol and it's parts (are they all original?).

Thanks,
Ken
 
1. The main pin in the D.W. Bomar ripoff broke 3 or 4 times, even when replaced with a hardened steel drill bit. I finally took an oversized titanium drill bit, turned it down until it just barely would fit, and smashed it in there with a punch. I attribute this problem partially to the high front sight height, which required the rear to be adjusted high, which I believe put more flex on that pin every time the slide cycled. Ultimately, DW sent me a lower replacement front sight for free, and I had a local gunsmith machine it down to remove the recessed white "dot", and I replaced the rear DW Bomar ripoff with a real Bomar. Absolutely no problems with the sights since then.

2. The pistol developed some FTE problems and ultimately I chipped the extractor claw extracting stuck cases. This was traced to gunk in the extractor channel after approx 3000 rounds. I got a free replacement extractor and spring from DW. While installing it, I made sure to stone the top and bottom surfaces to ensure no burrs and more clearance. I've run that extractor for the last over 7000 rounds without cleaning the channel and no problems.

The parts are all original except for the sights and trigger bow/shoe, which I replaced because I prefer a short trigger. The same guy replace the trigger, recut the sear angles for the trigger job, and removed some sharp edges on the frame where the beavertail mates.

This was my primary IPSC & 3Gun pistol for about 18 months, and runs real good.
 
Thanks for the info.....seems that regularly cleaning the extractor assembly would be the thing to do - is that easily done? Sounds like the sights gave you the biggest problem.....except for the sights, it sounds like your pistol was well made.


Ken
 
For preventative maintenance, I would suggest cleaning the channel every 2000-2500 rounds based on the number of rounds to my original failure. With the stoned & polished replacement extractor, I haven't had to clean it since putting it in.

To remove the extractor, you need a padded vice for the slide, the correct size punch, and a small mallet. It's self explanatory and easy.
 
Thanks for the info too Zak - I'll be sure to keep an eye on that extractor myself and glad to know your other main problem was with the sights, since mine is coming in with different ones - this model being intended for CCW it comes with Trijicons standard.
 
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