Another powder coming to the market

Status
Not open for further replies.
This is why my powder cabinet looks like this.
Next shiny thing./ Newer better powder.
 

Attachments

  • IMG_20171129_185053.jpg
    IMG_20171129_185053.jpg
    103.4 KB · Views: 44
Walkalong said:
19,900 is SAMMI max for .45 ACP. W-231 is fast/medium speed, WST is fast, and WSF is medium speed. So I do not understand what you are saying. They stop where they want or at SAMMI max.
Click to expand...

What I am saying is... you can get very similar velocities with less pressure using 231, WST, and WSF (using those to compare apples to apples.) Looking at the data again, I realized the Hodgdon data is all CUP, only the 244 is in PSI... so it's not really apples to apples any longer.
 
buck460XVR said:
I wonder if this is another "replacement" powder for a powder they may discontinue down the line due to manufacturing costs. Seems some of our old favorites are expensive to make and particularly costly to dispose of the waste from the manufacture. Instead of passing those costs along and perhaps making that powder now undesirable, they are trying to wean us off them by tempting us with new powders that are touted to be easier to meter and cleaner burning. Problem is, I have so many #s of medium handgun powders, like Bullseye, Unigue, and W231/HP38, stocked up on since the last shortage, that I hate to buy another powder I mighte like more.........:mad:
Click to expand...
Could it be a replacement for ones they have already discontinued too? Makes more sense on both ways to replace the more expensive to produce powders...I will give em credit though, they are at least offering a 4# jug. Wish Alliant would do that with BE86
 
It seems only the Winchester powders are offered in 4lb jugs, not the Hodgdon powders. I'm guessing it's a leftover from when Winchester powders were sold by Olin. I don't think Hodgdon ever offered 4lb powder jugs.
 
bbqreloader said:
Could it be a replacement for ones they have already discontinued too?
Click to expand...

Maybe.....but it would make more sense to put a replacement powder on the shelf first, That way folks won't try another brand when they find the empty spot where their favorite powder used to be. One of the things the previous powder shortages showed me is how good powders I never used before were, when used in my scenarios. Some of them I still use, while I walk by the ones I used to use.
 
ArchAngelCD said:
It seems only the Winchester powders are offered in 4lb jugs, not the Hodgdon powders. I'm guessing it's a leftover from when Winchester powders were sold by Olin. I don't think Hodgdon ever offered 4lb powder jugs.
Click to expand...
Titegroup is sold in 4lb. jugs.
 
Walkalong said:
19,900 is SAMMI max for .45 ACP. W-231 is fast/medium speed, WST is fast, and WSF is medium speed. So I do not understand what you are saying. They stop where they want or at SAMMI max.
Click to expand...

The SAAMI maximum average pressure limit for the 45 ACP is 21,000 psi. http://www.saami.org/specifications...ations/download/Z299-3_ANSI-SAAMI_CFPandR.pdf

Charlie98 said:
What I am saying is... you can get very similar velocities with less pressure using 231, WST, and WSF (using those to compare apples to apples.) Looking at the data again, I realized the Hodgdon data is all CUP, only the 244 is in PSI... so it's not really apples to apples any longer.
Click to expand...

What caliber are you looking at? About a third of the powders in 45 Auto are listed in psi, the majority of 9mm are in psi.
 
I do see where it is 21,000 & 23,000 PSI for standard and +P .45 ACP. I need too look up the old CUP numbers and see what they are. 19,900 for standard sticks in my memory. :)
 
The CUP numbers are in that same document (The CUP measurements precede the psi measurements). The 45 Auto CUP max is 18,000 CUP. There is no CUP listing for the +P.
 
I am definitely interested in 244 since it can be loaded in everything I load, even 357sig. It is just below Unique on the Hodgdon burn rate chart, but it seems quite a bit faster based on charges and velocities listed by Hodgdon and Alliant. It could probably come in handy for a lower velocity plated bullet in 357sig used for practise.
 
fxvr5 said:
The CUP numbers are in that same document (The CUP measurements precede the psi measurements). The 45 Auto CUP max is 18,000 CUP. There is no CUP listing for the +P.
Click to expand...
I just checked my Speer #11 and it says "these loads do not exceed 19,900 CUP", and I have always assumed that was the max, but now I guess it just meant exactly what it stated, no more. It does not quote a max, just what they did not exceed. Speer # 14 mentions pressure limit specifically and uses the 21,000 PSI figure.

This is what I get for going by memory sometimes. :)

I still don't understand what Charlie98 was trying to say.

I do think this powder is in a very interesting burn range and should prove useful.
 
Lets not forget that just a few short years ago the choices on paper were plenty while the shelves had little to no stock for us to buy at any price.:scrutiny:
I am all for a few more options to stock as long as they work well for my loads.
 
Walkalong said:
I still don't understand what Charlie98 was trying to say.
Click to expand...

I don't know... I thought it was pretty obvious. You can get nearly the same velocity with less pressure with the other 3 powders. I realize after I posted that, and looked at the data, that the newer 244 is in PSI, the older (WST, 231, and WSF) data is in CUP, so it is not a direct comparison of pressure values.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

E
  • Locked
New Hodgdon propellant: CFE 223
Replies
2
Views
974
Walkalong
Walkalong
E
  • Locked
New Hodgdon manual coming early 2012
Replies
13
Views
969
J_McLeod
J
GeoDudeFlorida
  • Locked
Lack of data for W244...
Replies
7
Views
738
GHinNH
GHinNH
Viking painter
Win 244 for 9mm
2
Replies
36
Views
2K
LV Gun
LV Gun
W
  • Locked
Ball powders are faster and less costly to make than extruded and flake powders
2
Replies
31
Views
938
Walkalong
Walkalong
Back
Top