Another stabbing, where's the outcry?

[Atom Smasher]

You guys realize how crazy you sound, right? And how completely and totally different two 12-year-olds with knives are from a guy with multiple projectile weapons? And how utterly useless it would be to try and regulate something that I make in my backyard without blowing myself up, let alone something that is already so distributed and unregulated as knives?

I'm all for removing the ridiculous broadcasts that demonize "scary black rifles" and the like, but let's not waste time and energy with an argument as silly and unproductive as "well why don't they call for banning knives?"

Edit: The only reason I even comment is that there seems to be more of this type of thread lately. Guys, what's the point of this discussion? No one on this board needs convincing that coverage of guns in the media is biased and often horrible. Arguments for 2A rights against Anti-2A people that start with "why isn't there an outcry about knives" makes us look like whiny children ourselves.

 

[SleazyRider]

We don't do politics or religion because it gets ugly and divides people. We don't like to see people blaming one side or the other for gun control because the simple answer is politicians on both sides have voted to take away gun rights and politicians on both sides have voted to defend gun rights. We need every single republican, Democrat, liberal, conservative, libertarian, buddhist, protestant, catholic, moon worshiper, etc, etc gun owner to stand together if we are to win this battle for our gun rights. The antis love to divide and conquer, but at THR we strive to bring all gun owners together. Don't play into the antis hands. It is the antis we are battling, and they come in many shapes and sizes.

Very well stated, sir!

 

[hso]

It seems we are seeing a number of stories about knife assaults lately

I haven't seen a number of stories about knife assaults lately and I'm skeptical that the one high profile case in California and some random bits in local news is anything significant in spite of our sensitivity.

 

[kwguy]

let alone something that is already so distributed and unregulated as knives?

I see their point, because it has happened in England. The banning of knives, however ridiculous it sounds, has happened. (Or is happening, or whatever) over there.

It may not be a firearm, but even on this forum, there is a non firearm subcategory, and people that bring this up are probably thinking of the 'slippery slope' that banning can cause.

England banned 'certain types' of guns to the point of ridiculousness, and now they are going after knives. It's not some ridiculous fantasy.

No matter how stupid things get, history (and even modern times) has proven that things can always get stupider if we allow it.

 

[herrwalther]

It would be better of you realized that large percentage of gun owning, freedom loving, no compromise RTKBA people consider the private ownership of arms the most basic component of a free and liberal society.

I consider myself socially liberal (small l), politically conservative. I support certain social issues but align conservative for 2A, immigration etc. But politics is politics. My point was most antis are Liberal (big L)/Democrat. No offense meant, but that has been there strong platform as of late.

You guys realize how crazy you sound, right? And how completely and totally different two 12-year-olds with knives are from a guy with multiple projectile weapons? And how utterly useless it would be to try and regulate something that I make in my backyard without blowing myself up, let alone something that is already so distributed and unregulated as knives?

Stabbings have the potential for much more malice than shootings. There can be accidental or negligent shootings. It is hard to have an accidental stabbing...19 times. These girls had full knowledge of what they were doing, even if it were to please an internet construct. Our "well why don't they call for banning knives" is a tongue in cheek to the antis who call for firearm bans or control whenever a shooting happens but not a peep when a stabbing happens.

 

[rondog]

God help us if someone kills somebody with a bayonet, for cryin' out loud. Then the hue and cry will go out to BAN those too.

 

[Blackstone]

Trust me, as soon as they've got your guns, they will go after your knives. In the UK, you can't carry a locking/fixed blade knife of any length on your person in public, UNLESS you have good reason to do so (your job requires it, religious dress, or you are on your way to do a legal activity that requires the knife, such as hunting). Now, if you were to stop by a supermarket on your way to the hunt, then your defence suddenly becomes very weak.

You can carry a folding knife with a blade less than 3 inches in length, but in no way can you say it's for self defence. In fact, any object that you claim is for self defence will have you arrested for "possession of an offensive weapon". They even outright banned the kubotans that were legal for a while.

They'll ban every knife you have until you're down to the bare necessities to survive (and I don't mean survive against two legged predators).

 

[Tirod]

The OP's point is the hypocrisy of the anti gunners who bleat repeatedly about their choice of "evil," but who won't recognize that a gun is just a tool. Take it away and we can and will use another.

That is why those who can't carry a gun on board a plane now carry a four foot walking stick. I suspect that if you look carefully in British society, you will see walking sticks becoming more common. They are simply an elegant cudgel meant for support, which gives them some legal cover. They have more reach than a knife, too.

When our "modern" society seems intent in banning an object, man simply reaches back into their history and adopts the previous weapons that politely comply with political correctness. History repeats itself.

 

[Blackstone]

That is why those who can't carry a gun on board a plane now carry a four foot walking stick. I suspect that if you look carefully in British society, you will see walking sticks becoming more common. They are simply an elegant cudgel meant for support, which gives them some legal cover. They have more reach than a knife, too.

Quite right. I have one of these nice Unbreakable Umbrellas which I've carried on board planes without a second glance through security. British weather also means you always have an excuse to carry one because it could rain at any moment.

 

[il.bill]

What is that?

Pro-Universal healthcare, Pro-Equality (racial and sexual), Pro-choice, Anti-War folks who eat weird vegetables and recycle?



That describes most of the folks I shoot with and many THR members.

Amen - and thank you!

 

[PabloJ]

I just read a news story about two 12 year old girls who stabbed a friend and tried to kill her unsuccessfully. It seems we are seeing a number of stories about knife assaults lately, but where is the liberal media in calling for registration or any kind of restrictions on knives? Seems only fair since they are Hellbent on ridding society of all firearms.

Even the California incident where three people were killed by knife and three were killed by firearms only caused a furor on the evil guns used. Knives got a free pass. Where's the outrage against the crime itself?

Restricting knives of reasonable size & configuration is not practical. I suspect their point would be that assailant with couple of knives and far less dangerous to society then broken down person with firearm and duffel bag of loaded high capacity magazines. In my neck of the woods stabbings and gun killings are just another day in "paradise". The only true solution to mass gun violence would be to arm all law abiding citizens which is not very practical or doable.

 

[wally]

Give the liberal media time. If firearms ever become banned, knives will be next.

Yup, look to the UK for the game plan.

 

[medalguy]

Tirod made my point. When do we realize that if an assault is desired, it will happen regardless of the weapons available? If you google "knife attack" there are a lot of listings, many in China but plenty in this country.

My point is, if the antigun crowd thinks restricting guns will really reduce crime, we simply have to look at other countries, and other weapons, to see the absurdity of that position. Assaults and crime will happen until the entire mental attitude changes.

IT ISN'T THE GUN THAT CAUSES THE CRIME! How many ways can we say this?

 

[Robert]

Folks, socioeconomic status and what the media chooses to or not to cover are off topic for THR. Keep this focused on how to defend out 2A rights or the thread will be closed.

 

[Midwest]

My point is, if the antigun crowd thinks restricting guns will really reduce crime, we simply have to look at other countries, and other weapons, to see the absurdity of that position. Assaults and crime will happen until the entire mental attitude changes.

I have been reading about all the crime in Australia. Shootings, stabbings, murders, assaults, rape, vandalism, robberies seem to be an common occurrence.

This is what happens when the people are forbidden to defend themselves down under. Yet the criminals use whatever weapon they want. Lets hope this never happens here in the U.S.

Let's see how gun control is working for us (Australia)

http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?118350-Let-s-see-how-gun-control-is-working-for-us

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[rdhood]

You guys realize how crazy you sound, right? And how completely and totally different two 12-year-olds with knives are from a guy with multiple projectile weapons? And how utterly useless it would be to try and regulate something that I make in my backyard without blowing myself up, let alone something that is already so distributed and unregulated as knives?

Restricting knives of reasonable size & configuration is not practical.

Whether it is practical or not is of no concern to politicians. When the guns are confiscated and folks turn to blades, the blades get banned. Just ask our UK friends.

 

[Apachedriver]

I have been reading about all the crime in Australia. Shootings, stabbings, murders, assaults, rape, vandalism, robberies seem to be an common occurrence.

This is what happens when the people are forbidden to defend themselves down under. Yet the criminals use whatever weapon they want. Lets hope this never happens here in the U.S.

Let's see how gun control is working for us (Australia)

http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?118350-Let-s-see-how-gun-control-is-working-for-us

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...And Australia's a huge island out in the middle of nowhere...well except for New Zealand.

As opposed to the US whose borders are bleeding with all sorts of badness able to enter it. This in addition to what is already homegrown.

But yeah, gun control or elimination here is the solution to end all of that crime.

There has to be a genetic shortfall in anyone who really buys that nonsense.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

LOL! This just made me laugh.

I get the point of the thread, and I think we all agree. Guns don't kill people....... Knives kill people....... Wait, I mean people. Yeah, people kill people. And baby seals, and pandas, and other cute stuff, and everything else in sight.

Gun ban and control folks aren't thinking about the issue logically. WEAPONS arent the problem in murders or mass murder incidents any more than a car is to be blammed for a drunk driver killing someone.