anschutz volquartsen
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Anschutz.
The kind of ammo that does justice to these guns is too expensive for spraying with a semiauto anyway. I'd pay for the quality of the Anschutz over the glorified 10/22, even though the Volquartsen is a neat gun.
I'm intrigued by the Weatherby Mark XXII; I kinda like shiny old-school sporting bolties. Anschutz in a nice Weatherby stock. But I probably won't ever spend the money on yet another .22....
I have too many for now.
The kind of ammo that does justice to these guns is too expensive for spraying with a semiauto anyway. I'd pay for the quality of the Anschutz over the glorified 10/22, even though the Volquartsen is a neat gun.
I'm intrigued by the Weatherby Mark XXII; I kinda like shiny old-school sporting bolties. Anschutz in a nice Weatherby stock. But I probably won't ever spend the money on yet another .22....
I have too many for now.
A Volquartsen is not even remotely . . . .
A "glorified 10/22". I promise you. They're also nearly as accurate as an Annie. In fact, they'll outshoot EVERY bolt gun out there besides the Annie.
And while you don't want to "spray and pray" with target ammo, it sure is nice to squeeze off one well-aimed, highly-accurate shot after another, using the highly-refined VQ trigger, without having to work a bolt (especially when your shooting subsonic/suppressed!).
VQ's actions are machined from stainless barstock, with an integral picatinny rail, and have a screwed-in barrel, just like the big boys (as opposed to the wedge system the 10/22 uses). These are REAL guns, and they're beautifully made.
I own an Annie .22lr (in a cool green swirl thumbhole McMillan stock), an Annie .17HMR, a VQ .22lr, and 2 VQ .17HMR's (one with lightweight, carbon-wrapped barrel, and the other in a McMillan stock with heavy stainless barrel).
I love ALL of them, and would part with none. If you can, of course, get one (or more) of each! If I could only have one or the other, I honestly think I'd take my VQ McMillan heavy-barrel rig in (w/Bushnell Elite 4200 4-16X40) over an Annie. It's made that way in .22lr too.
Hope this helps.
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A "glorified 10/22". I promise you. They're also nearly as accurate as an Annie. In fact, they'll outshoot EVERY bolt gun out there besides the Annie.
And while you don't want to "spray and pray" with target ammo, it sure is nice to squeeze off one well-aimed, highly-accurate shot after another, using the highly-refined VQ trigger, without having to work a bolt (especially when your shooting subsonic/suppressed!).
VQ's actions are machined from stainless barstock, with an integral picatinny rail, and have a screwed-in barrel, just like the big boys (as opposed to the wedge system the 10/22 uses). These are REAL guns, and they're beautifully made.
I own an Annie .22lr (in a cool green swirl thumbhole McMillan stock), an Annie .17HMR, a VQ .22lr, and 2 VQ .17HMR's (one with lightweight, carbon-wrapped barrel, and the other in a McMillan stock with heavy stainless barrel).
I love ALL of them, and would part with none. If you can, of course, get one (or more) of each! If I could only have one or the other, I honestly think I'd take my VQ McMillan heavy-barrel rig in (w/Bushnell Elite 4200 4-16X40) over an Annie. It's made that way in .22lr too.
Hope this helps.
see ya
A gun of that quality deserves the sort of cleaning that a boltie allows, sometimes between shots.
I'm not denying the quality of a Volquartsen. It's still a blowback .22 rimfire, though.
An Anschutz bolt gun will still outshoot it, and can be cleaned from the breech with a rod on the bench while you're at the range. Puts a shot inside a dime every time at 50 yards if you do your part. Puts 'em through the same hole if you find the right ammo.
Go to an ARA match. Bolt guns rule the day, and there's a reason.
I'm not denying the quality of a Volquartsen. It's still a blowback .22 rimfire, though.
An Anschutz bolt gun will still outshoot it, and can be cleaned from the breech with a rod on the bench while you're at the range. Puts a shot inside a dime every time at 50 yards if you do your part. Puts 'em through the same hole if you find the right ammo.
Go to an ARA match. Bolt guns rule the day, and there's a reason.
All 3 of my VQ's shoot 1/2" or better at 50 yds routinely. Didn't know he was going to shoot in ARA match's? He asked about buying a high-quality .22lr. I assumed "fun" was a part of the equation. I've never heard of cleaning between shots described as "fun"
Both have their place. Where any varmint hunting/fun shooting is involved, there's no comparison, imho. If you're shooting one at a time (and cleaning after each) from the bench, I'll agree that the Annie wins. I just don't think that's what most people are into.
It's fully worth $1,100 or so to me to get a semi-auto of a VQ's quality that will allow me to have (nearly) the best of both worlds.
By the way, a Boresnake allows you to clean VQ's from the breach, and before anyone screams about doing that to a fine gun, I have no problem with it. Rimfires will last virtually forever, and continue to exhibit fine accuracy being cleaned that way.
Whatever you end up with, cwdotson, I hope you have fun with it. I know that, as I get older, making shooting truly enjoyable becomes more and more important to me!
see ya
Both have their place. Where any varmint hunting/fun shooting is involved, there's no comparison, imho. If you're shooting one at a time (and cleaning after each) from the bench, I'll agree that the Annie wins. I just don't think that's what most people are into.
It's fully worth $1,100 or so to me to get a semi-auto of a VQ's quality that will allow me to have (nearly) the best of both worlds.
By the way, a Boresnake allows you to clean VQ's from the breach, and before anyone screams about doing that to a fine gun, I have no problem with it. Rimfires will last virtually forever, and continue to exhibit fine accuracy being cleaned that way.
Whatever you end up with, cwdotson, I hope you have fun with it. I know that, as I get older, making shooting truly enjoyable becomes more and more important to me!
see ya
My stock Marlin 60 won't shoot sub-1/2" groups at 50 yards reliably. But it's not nearly as far from that as the price difference would suggest.
Small game hunting here is sandy, brushy, dirty, rocky. My 39A is about my limit for how expensive/pretty a gun I'd take with me. If I'm shooting a semiauto, 2 MOA (1" at 50 yards) is good enough. If I'm shooting for all-out accuracy, semiauto offers little besides a cramped hand.
Again, the Volquartsen is a really nice gun. I just don't see a real niche for it, in my collection. Someone else might.
OTOH, it might be really nice to have a 10/22-like gun that actually works right. The Ruger magazine and overall design are good ideas, in theory anyway. Volquartsens live up to the design's potential in ways the Ruger doesn't, that's for sure.
Small game hunting here is sandy, brushy, dirty, rocky. My 39A is about my limit for how expensive/pretty a gun I'd take with me. If I'm shooting a semiauto, 2 MOA (1" at 50 yards) is good enough. If I'm shooting for all-out accuracy, semiauto offers little besides a cramped hand.
Again, the Volquartsen is a really nice gun. I just don't see a real niche for it, in my collection. Someone else might.
OTOH, it might be really nice to have a 10/22-like gun that actually works right. The Ruger magazine and overall design are good ideas, in theory anyway. Volquartsens live up to the design's potential in ways the Ruger doesn't, that's for sure.
Both your choices are good ones, my taste and preferences would tip me towards the Anschutz. Don't forget though, there are plenty of optiond besides those 2 that will shoot just as well. Weihrauch makes some very fine and accurate rifles. Winchester 52s and Remington 40X are also competitively accurate rifles.
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Clean a .22LR between shots?
.22LR is a lead non jacketed round that is coated with wax. Good match ammo feels greasy to the touch. Most bench rest shooters will shoot fowling shots to get a clean bore lubed up with wax before they start shooting groups. A good rule of thumb is one fowling shot per inch of barrel. Some will clean the action regularly but only clean the bore once or twice a year. So Dirty=Good. I have CZ bolts and Ruger and Marlin autos that perform very well and rarely ever get the bore cleaned. If you decide to go with the auto why not buy a 10/22 and build it yourself. Its way more fun that way. Check out http://rimfirecentral.com for all your rimfire needs.
.22LR is a lead non jacketed round that is coated with wax. Good match ammo feels greasy to the touch. Most bench rest shooters will shoot fowling shots to get a clean bore lubed up with wax before they start shooting groups. A good rule of thumb is one fowling shot per inch of barrel. Some will clean the action regularly but only clean the bore once or twice a year. So Dirty=Good. I have CZ bolts and Ruger and Marlin autos that perform very well and rarely ever get the bore cleaned. If you decide to go with the auto why not buy a 10/22 and build it yourself. Its way more fun that way. Check out http://rimfirecentral.com for all your rimfire needs.
Sunray
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"...or the 10/22 clone..." Why not just buy a 10/22? Mind you, what you want to do with a .22 matters. No matter what you buy, you'll have to try a box of as many brands of ammo as you can to find the ammo any .22 shoots well. If you opt for a semi-auto, the ammo will also have to cycle the action. Not all ammo will both shoot well and cycle the action of a semi-auto. The price of said ammo doesn't matter either.
JohnBT
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I think either one would be a great gun. Me? I don't particularly like autoloading rifles, so I'd pick the bolt.
Looking at the Volquartsen site, they use a match chamber and get superb accuracy according to the little chart: ".22 LR: 5-shot groups - under .375" @ 50yds using match ammo"
Now, about the statement: "In fact, they'll outshoot EVERY bolt gun out there besides the Annie."
I've seen guns, and shot some, that have been that accurate. And I'm not talking custom builds either or shooting indoors. In fact, my Cooper, Finnfire(original barrel, with a Jewell trigger) and 541-S have.
John
Looking at the Volquartsen site, they use a match chamber and get superb accuracy according to the little chart: ".22 LR: 5-shot groups - under .375" @ 50yds using match ammo"
Now, about the statement: "In fact, they'll outshoot EVERY bolt gun out there besides the Annie."
I've seen guns, and shot some, that have been that accurate. And I'm not talking custom builds either or shooting indoors. In fact, my Cooper, Finnfire(original barrel, with a Jewell trigger) and 541-S have.
John
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agreed, dirty bores on a .22 = good.
in addition to the round/inch to foul the bore, you also need to shoot those fouling shots when you change ammo. differnt brands use differnent grease/wax, and it'll take a little bit for the barrel to settle before you start getting peak accuracy again.
in addition to the round/inch to foul the bore, you also need to shoot those fouling shots when you change ammo. differnt brands use differnent grease/wax, and it'll take a little bit for the barrel to settle before you start getting peak accuracy again.
See the thread above with Marlin 60 100 yard groups. Then ask what you really want to pay for a semiauto, and why.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=315362
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=315362
JohnBT
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Why would I buy a Volquartsen if I was looking for a semi-auto? Because I shot a Model 60 in '61 or '62 and I've never shot a Volquartsen (not that I recall after one cup of coffee.) IOW, because I can. Or could if I wanted to. You know. You can't take it with you (because the nursing home will get it all if you live that long.) Meanwhile, I'll just stick with my Mountie.
My uncle taught me years ago to buy or trade for .22 rifles and only keep the ones that shot straight. You never know where one will turn up or what it will cost.
John
My uncle taught me years ago to buy or trade for .22 rifles and only keep the ones that shot straight. You never know where one will turn up or what it will cost.
John
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