Anti-CCW column needs rebuttal

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The guest column below appeared in today's Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. I can't believe this guy is so naive.

I just had a letter published, so perhaps someone else here would like to rebut this guy by going to www.jsonline.com and going to the editorial section.

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oncealed carry and safety
By Alvaro Saar Rios
Posted: March 3, 2010 |(15) COMMENTS

Now that I am a father, I've started to think about things differently. Issues I didn't support in the past seem a bit more appealing. One issue is concealed weapons.

In the past, I was against any kind of concealed weapon legislation. I was raised thinking that hiding weapons is something that only criminals and cowards do.

As I mentioned, my thinking has kind of changed. I think I can be an advocate for concealed weapons, but not without a specific stipulation.

I can support any type of concealed weapon laws if, and only if, it requires "the concealer" to wear a lime green armband. It can be yellow, too. Or day-glo orange.

Why a bright colored armband? For safety. Ours.

The armband will let us, the citizens of Milwaukee, know exactly when someone who is packing heat is in the vicinity.

It also guarantees the safety of my family because we will definitely flee the area.

I do not want to be in the same place with someone who thinks he or she needs to carry something that kills people. Not at Alterra. Not at the library. Not even at Summerfest.

My exception to this are uniformed police officers or security guards. Yet, if you think about it, even they don't hide their weapons.

Even if "the concealer" takes a mandatory training course, I still will not feel safe around that person. Training courses aren't real life. Paper targets don't shoot back.

I know what you're thinking, Mr. I-want-to-carry-a-concealed-weapon. "If I wear an armband, the criminals/terrorists/evil people will know I am armed." Not true. If they're dumb enough to think their way of life is going to get them anywhere, they are dumb enough to forget what those armbands mean.

But I won't.

I understand the instinct that would drive one to want to carry a gun - to protect loved ones. I'll be the first to admit that I will do anything to protect my wife and son. But I don't feel that instinct entails me carrying a .45 Desert Eagle or a Glock every time we leave the house.

I feel if I ever get to the point where I think Milwaukee (or the rest of Wisconsin) is so dangerous that I need to start carrying a gun everywhere I go, then maybe I need to stay inside more. Become a hermit. Through the wonders of the Internet, I can do everything at home. Shop. Work. Take classes. Keep in touch with family.

With all the money I save from not buying gas for my car, I can buy more things to protect my family. Vicious guard dogs. Barbed wired fence. Ex-employees of Blackwater USA.

And if I ever get the itch to start packing heat while attending Summerfest or State Fair or at the Milwaukee Art Museum, I'll make sure to keep Mayor Tom Barrett in mind. He didn't need a weapon when trying to protect someone.

And neither do I.

Alvaro Saar Rios of Milwaukee is a graduate student at Northwestern University. E-mail [email protected]
 
I don't know, sometimes it is best not to respond to rants like this. You won't change their mind or anyone who agrees with them. It just brings more attention to their rant. I think sometimes no response lets it die sooner.
 
His family would flee the area if he knew a law abiding citizen was just in his vicinity?


Erik M. is an Undergrad from Morehead State University and he thinks that Mr. Rios wasted a lot of money on his education.
 
...make sure to keep Mayor Tom Barrett in mind. He didn't need a weapon when trying to protect someone.

Mayor Barrett's arm won't be right for a long time. He tried to break up a domestic dispute and had his arm broken with a pipe. Real smart. And this guy wants to follow in Hizzoner's footsteps?

Somebody needs to let the public know that there's roughly 7 million CCW permit holders in this country. That means that, if this guy were in another state and in a group of 100 people, there would be on average two people legally carrying. In some states the percentage is higher.

What do people like him do, just stay in WI and IL?
 
Hmmm. Wasn't there a Heinlein novel where citizens had to wear a yellow brassard if they weren't carrying a weapon?

Maybe he's got an idea.
 
Does he think that police train against targets that do fire back? Just found it amusing with the "paper targets don't fire back"



His email address alone turns me off from giving any sort of rebuttal. "elcrazymex"
 
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The armband idea is an excellent one! :what:

I propose that armed criminals also be required to wear armbands. Of course they would be a different color then those worn by individuals who were legally licensed to carry concealed weapons. But then, this idea has its drawbacks because seeing those that were legally armed might make some of the criminals nervous. In fact the sight might even scare them! I’m sure they would much prefer to go where people weren’t wearing any armbands, and therefore could be presumed to be unarmed. Also under my plan the folks without armbands could tell who the criminals were – although they wouldn’t have any way to protect themselves. But then as we all know the police are always available when you need them.

I feel all better, and warm / fuzzy already…

Maybe I can go sit in a circle with my like-minded friends and we can all hold hands and light candles...
 
It's only a reader's letter to a paper. His ideas are laughable and there are already several good replies. Life is too short to respond to every crackpot idea that's published.
 
I also think that Vampires should wear red armbands so I can distinguish them from Goths and I can leave the vicinity when I see a Vampire.


Armband? Really, now.

That's exactly what I was thinking.
 
Hmmm .... I didn't know Desert Eagles came in .45 ACP.

But I don't feel that instinct entails me carrying a .45 Desert Eagle or a Glock every time we leave the house.
 
and there you have it. being safe takes a back seat to feeling safe.

As he said, there you have it. One who refuses to listen to fact and is instead a slave to their emotions simply cannot be reasoned with. There is no rebuttal. The author of this piece has flat out said he places how he feels about something as his primary concern. And with such people, reason has no effect.
 
and there you have it. being safe takes a back seat to feeling safe.

Exactly, and there are those to whom logic is but a mere theory to be subverted to emotion every time. You cannot reason with emotion.
 
I would not bother. Really he makes few points and the ones he makes are ridiculous. His suggestions are ridiculous. He is however, an example of what many believe about those who carry weapons. The thought is we are all macho guys/gals walking around twirling guns on our fingers twitching to shoot someone.
The whole notion that we would be safe, take even the drawing of the weapon as an extremely serious event not to be taken lightly, is scary. Their utter fear of weapons is scary. My first weapon scared the heck ot of my wife. She absolutely was terrified of guns. This is how a lot of society is and this guy is an example of it. The only way to conquer that ignorance would be for him to willingly go out and learn about the subject. Instead of taking the media and scare mongers words for it, meet folks who carry (which he has probably done without knowing it) and get an idea what the world is like.

Just won't happen. Any rebuttal will be a crazed opinion from a redneck shooter just itching to shoot something.
 
OK, so trying to rebut him is a waste of time. However, educating people in WI is not. So here's a letter I wrote. If someone could submit it under his name, please announce here that you've done it so there's no duplicates.

Submit it at http://www.jsonline.com/news/30627794.html

Here's what I wrote:

The column by Alvaro Saar Rios on concealed weapons in the March 3rd Journal Sentinel ("Concealed carry and safety") displayed a textbook definition of irrational fear of the unknown.

Mr. Rios wrote about proposals for law-abiding citizens carrying concealed weapons in Wisconsin and how he would feel about that. Not "think", but "feel".

There are 38 states in the US that issue concealed carry permits if the person meets state requirements, a system known as "shall issue." Eight other states leave the issuance of permits to the discretion of county sheriffs, a system called "discretionary issue." Two states--Vermont and Alaska--require no permits to carry weapons openly or concealed. Lastly, two states--Wisconsin and Illinois--completely prohibit anyone except police officers and sheriffs' deputies from carrying concealed weapons.

The populations of states with shall-issue permits is 229 million. The NRA estimates that there are roughly 7 million people in the US with concealed weapons permits. This means that if Mr. Rios or someone who harbors similar fears about concealed weapons would venture into one of these states, chances are that three out of every one hundred people they encounter could be legally carrying a concealed weapon.

Does Mr. Rios or people who think as he does avoid these forty states? Does he not travel through Minnesota, Michigan, Indiana, Nebraska or Iowa?

Fear of the unknown is a common human emotion. It is best overcome through education rather than writing absurd articles in newspapers.
 
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If you wear an armband that signifies you are a carrying a concealed handgun you are no longer concealing a gun and therefor breaking the law in most states.
 
I'd rather have everyone who didn't CCW wear an armband, it could be whatever color and say "feel free to rob/rape/assault me, I won't fight back".
 
Wearing an armband when carrying concealed is alright if the armband is also concealed. Of course, we’d all have to apply for a Concealed Armband Permit.
 
Hmmm. Wasn't there a Heinlein novel where citizens had to wear a yellow brassard if they weren't carrying a weapon?

You're thinking of Beyond This Horizon which is also the source of the phrase "An armed society is a polite society" that you will see here and there on THR. Citizens who wished to go unarmed wore an armband that said they could not be challenged for breaches of etiquette but made them a lower-class citizen. Police were allowed to be armed and wear the armband.
 
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