Anti-Gun rights Police Chief Has her Gun Stolen

wyk · Mar 26, 2009

certainly hope that everyone in this thread posts their absolute outrage that the Texas Senate just passed a bill to allow people to store firearms in their vehicle in this thread: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=438265

I expect to see those posts when I check THR tomorrow. Oh and don't forget all the threads about car and truck guns.........You guys wouldn't want anyone to think you were were biased in any way now would you?
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I have absolutely NO problems with people who store their guns in their car if it is attended or the guns are covered up, and parked in a secure garage, with the car doors locked.

To keep a gun in a car unattended and with the car doors unlocked is simply Gross Negligence. In fact doing so has the potential to bring about a whole lot of civil if not criminal lawsuits.

divemedic · Mar 26, 2009

Sorry, I am still not believing her story. The truck that the gun was in also contained her laptop and a GPS unit, neither of which were stolen. When the gun was first missing, she thought that she had left it at work. The police who investigated found no signs of a break-in of the vehicle. The gun went missing on the evening of Feb 27, and she did not notice that it was gone until the next afternoon. How many of you here would have a gun that you carry everyday be missing for almost 24 hours and not know it?

This is just another woman who lost her purse, so someone must have stolen it.

BTW- I occasionally store my gun in my car when the law prevents me from bringing it wherever I am. In those times, it is in a secure, fenced in lot, and the car is locked. When at home, the gun is either in a safe or in the same room with me. I do not lose track of my weapons, I always know where they are. I don't see where I am displaying hypocrisy, as I do not preach to people about how I am the only one professional enough to own a gun, unlike the police chief here.

Incompetent Val Demmings is a LEO. She can carry wherever she wishes, so that should not be a problem with her.

ETA: TAB- you are the one who says a person should lose his ability to ever carry a gun for one ND. Are you telling me that a LEO who LOSES a gun should not be disciplined?

Vern Humphrey · Mar 26, 2009

Give me a break. That's crazy thinking.

Because I get out of my vehicle, is that inviting someone else to get in?

Because I leave guns at home, is that inviting someone to break in and steal them? What's the difference?

Give me a break. That's even crazier thinking.

The world is not what you want it to be -- the world is what it is. Cars do get broken into. And they're much easier to break into than homes. People who leave their guns in their cars are likely to get them stolen.

That's why prudent people have gun safes.

Yo Mama · Mar 26, 2009

^

EXACTLY

I don't care how many laws say I'm allowed to carry my gun in a car/truck, I still wouldn't leave it in there without being really secured. A safe, lock, anything!

She's a FRICKING POLICE CHIEF! We are supposed to look to her for guidance and leadership. While I think she is wrong on her gun stance, I fault her more for her negligence. She now has her gun out on the streets and has given a crook some nice firepower to use against her own police officers.

Current events show it's not good to leave a gun in your car. I also worry about my home, which is why I have dog/alarm/safe/cameras.

MD_Willington · Mar 26, 2009

Our new "Drug Czar" is the same way, Anti-gun ****** that had his sidearm stolen from his car...

Those people always remind me of the "Glock Fo-Tay" video....

SharpsDressedMan · Mar 26, 2009

I think all of my guns were stolen. It happened just before they came to confiscate them. Perfectly believable. It happened to a Florida chief of police once.........

jbrown50 · Mar 26, 2009

I certainly hope that everyone in this thread posts their absolute outrage that the Texas Senate just passed a bill to allow people to store firearms in their vehicle in this thread: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=438265

I expect to see those posts when I check THR tomorrow. Oh and don't forget all the threads about car and truck guns.........You guys wouldn't want anyone to think you were were biased in any way now would you?

The Chief was at home. There was no legitimate reason for her to leave the gun in the car. It's not like she had driven to a place that wouldn't allow her to take the gun inside and therefore she had no choice but to leave it in the car. Both her and her husband make enough money together that they could afford a safe. If she was really that "worried" then she should have left the gun locked up at work.

Anti-gun cops shouldn't carry guns off duty. Tasers and stunguns are available. Anti-gun cops are just as bad as any other anti-gun citizen who owns a gun. Eventually they'll leave the gun laying somewhere unsecured because they hate it and don't want to go through the trouble of carrying it when they don't have to.

damien · Mar 26, 2009

Why is she being described as anti-gun? I don't see any data here to support that and I am not familiar with her. Did you call for renewal of the AWB or what?

flocker · Mar 26, 2009

All I can say is maybe she should have been more responsible and locked it up in a vault or on her hip.

She should find a new group of friens if she can not trust them. :evil:

Jeff White · Mar 26, 2009

Sometimes the hypocrisy of the some of the members here sickens me. :barf:

hometheaterman · Mar 26, 2009

It should be illegal imo for them or anyone else for that matter to leave a gun in the car covered up or not.

Bill2e · Mar 26, 2009

Why is she being described as anti-gun? I don't see any data here to support that and I am not familiar with her. Did you call for renewal of the AWB or what?

From her past quotes & actions which I did not have time to reference. I live in the community and am familuar with her antics. I should have put in info to back up that statement.

Funderb · Mar 26, 2009

the anti's will just say "If a police chief can't be trusted to keep a gun from being stolen, then no one can be trusted with a gun!"

well at least I wish they would show their full blown craziness and say that

or we could say:

"When no one but the police have guns where will the criminals get theirs, uhheemmmmmmmmmmmmmm??"

It should be illegal imo for them or anyone else for that matter to leave a gun in the car covered up or not.

You sir, are ruining it for everyone.

Sometimes the hypocrisy of the some of the members here sickens me.

Agreed
See second quote.

wyk · Mar 26, 2009

"Sometimes the hypocrisy of the some of the members here sickens me."

You can call some of the views of the others here hypocrisy but I do think everyone is entitled to his own opinions. Just as the Chief is entitled to her opinion as an anti.
I find most members' posts here reasonable. Most posts do NOT gloat over her misfortune nor do they penalize her because she is an anti. Most posts here are talking about her gross negligence in losing her firearm. Afterall, having a firearm comes with the responsibility to keep it safe from unauthorized access. Therefore, I do not see why the posts on this board talking about the Chief's irresponsibility and negligence amounts to hypocricsy!!!

noskilz · Mar 26, 2009

On Feb. 27, her gun was in a duffel bag inside and Demings discovered she failed to lock the vehicle's doors.

Puhleez, let's notice that she left her service weapon in an unlocked vehicle. [At least that's what she claims.] That was highly irresponsible no matter how you want to slice this thing.

According to Orlando Police Department policy, an officer can keep his or her firearm locked in the car, either in the trunk or inside the cab, as long as it's covered up.

And the article suggests that this was a violation of policy, as the weapon was "hidden" in a duffel bag but was definitely not "locked" in the vehicle.

What is odd is that a tipster called in the theft apparently within 24 hours of the theft. Seems like the person who took the gun knew who she was and what car she drove. Maybe to teach her a lesson or something. Who knows?

hometheaterman · Mar 26, 2009

You sir, are ruining it for everyone.

Maybe I am however, that's not my intent. I think most of these gun bans and gun laws are stupid.

The reason I don't like people leaving guns in car is that it just makes it super easy for a criminal to take it. Then it comes back and bites us in the ass as when he does something stupid with it the anti's use it against us saying how easily it was stolen or obtained.

If people had enough common sense to not leave their gun in places like that for anyone to easily take it wouldn't be a issue but they don't seem to as I know several who leave their gun in their cars. This to me is just what comes back to bite the gun owners in the ass when it does get stolen and the anti's find out about it.

That's why I don't like it.

I wish there were no gun laws at all however, as much as I hate to say this at the same time I think there are some out there that need a few rules as they don't have enough common sense to not do stupid stuff on their own.

RP88 · Mar 26, 2009

She should get some kind of disciplinary action as would any citizen who does not secure a weapon properly against being stolen. As with alot of states she should be held responsible for what happens with the weapon.

What state do you live in?

If you report a gun stolen, then there isn't much to come your way if the crook goes and shoots someone. You or your weapon have no say in his actions. Thats like saying you're responsible if a guy steals your reportedly stolen car and causes an accident and you being responsible for said accident.

Lucky · Mar 26, 2009

No **** Jeff White. If this was anyone else and they DID get in trouble for having a gun stolen, people'd sing the exact opposite song.

Woman might be enemy #1, but if we compromise on our morals, you're basically no better than any other socialist with their 'moral relativity'.

But Divemedic has a point. It sounds like nothing else was taken, and the doors were not locked? That's 2 counts of 'fishy' right there. Divemedic could you link to substantiate the assertions?

Grassman · Mar 26, 2009

Should be an automatic dismissal.

runrabbitrun · Mar 26, 2009

It's unfortunate that a chief LE officer lost a weapon, or it was 'stolen' from a POV.

But can we all agree that the lady was at least negligent in
not securing her firearm in the first place?

Personally, I tend to support LE.
It's when they support the 'notion' that WE citizens should
rely solely on them for our own safety,
by advocating 'we don't need no stinking guns'.

(Is that the case with this lady?)

I also believe we law abiding citizens and the cops
should work together and I would hope that if SHTF,
they will welcome us law abiding citizens assisting
LE to patrol the streets and drive out the criminal element,
that will indeed (as history shows us) take advantage
of a chaotic situation.
(looters, gang bangers and opportunist from all walks of life)...

I'm basing this belief on what I saw when hurricane Andrew hit South Florida.
(from a book published by the Miami Herald)...

I saw citizens with guns, protecting property,
helping distribute food and water and most of these citizens / volunteers
were indeed armed.

divemedic · Mar 26, 2009

But Divemedic has a point. It sounds like nothing else was taken, and the doors were not locked? That's 2 counts of 'fishy' right there. Divemedic could you link to substantiate the assertions?

Sure. This article right here says:

When her gun disappeared on the night of Feb. 27, Demings did not discover it was missing until the next afternoon, according to a car burglary report she filed with the sheriff's office. At that time, Demings told deputies she noticed a black duffel bag holding her gun belt, pistol, three magazines holding 45 bullets, handcuffs and nightstick was missing from her city-issued Chevrolet Tahoe SUV. Thinking she must have left the canvas bag in her office, she drove to police headquarters in Orlando without finding the missing weapon.

then it says:

"[Demings] stated since her laptop computer, GPS, and her agency issued uniform were still in the car she believed she had left the canvas bag in her office at 100 South Hughey Ave.," according to the burglary report. "[Demings] stated she drove over to the office to check for the bag, and was unable to locate it."

then the report says:

Deputies examined Deming's car and "did not observe any forced entry."

since there was no forced entry, nothing else was taken, and she only deduced that it must have been stolen, because she says the gun and bag were there when she left work the night before, that sounds more like LOST than STOLEN to me. She herself isn't even SURE it was in the vehicle- she even drove to her office to look for it.

ETA: Expecting a gun owner to know where their firearms are at all times, and holding them accountable when they LOSE them is not hypocrisy. There is no evidence here to support that it was stolen. Sounds lost to me. There should be a reprimand. Heck, as a government employee, if I lose a LAPTOP I get a reprimand, this woman lost a FIREARM.

Brian Dale · Mar 26, 2009

Jeff, if I read your posts above correctly, you've suggested that

1) to approve of the Texas Senate's decision to keep employers from punishing employees for having pistols in their privately owned vehicles on company property at all, no matter whether well secured, while

2) ridiculing a powerful public official, whose job involves the public buying firearms for her to use, for either:
...(a) losing a pistol somewhere and then lying about it, or
...(b) leaving it in a vehicle but not stored securely enough to prevent its theft

3) shows barf-inducing hypocrisy.

No sale.

Jeff White · Mar 26, 2009

"Sometimes the hypocrisy of the some of the members here sickens me."

You can call some of the views of the others here hypocrisy but I do think everyone is entitled to his own opinions. Just as the Chief is entitled to her opinion as an anti.
I find most members' posts here reasonable. Most posts do NOT gloat over her misfortune nor do they penalize her because she is an anti. Most posts here are talking about her gross negligence in losing her firearm. Afterall, having a firearm comes with the responsibility to keep it safe from unauthorized access. Therefore, I do not see why the posts on this board talking about the Chief's irresponsibility and negligence amounts to hypocricsy!!!

No hypocrisy? Really? What about these posts:

jbrown50 said;

The Chief was at home. There was no legitimate reason for her to leave the gun in the car. It's not like she had driven to a place that wouldn't allow her to take the gun inside and therefore she had no choice but to leave it in the car. Both her and her husband make enough money together that they could afford a safe. If she was really that "worried" then she should have left the gun locked up at work.

Brian Dale · Mar 26, 2009

Jeff White said:
We have a lot of members here who are interested in keeping guns in their vehicles. Would any of them receive the same treatment if one of their weapons was stolen out of their vehicle?

Yes, I think that they'd get castigated for it around here.

You were probably typing when I posted to the Texas Senate thread, btw.

divemedic · Mar 26, 2009

Would any of them receive the same treatment if one of their weapons was stolen out of their vehicle? I noticed no one who posted in this thread has posted to the thread on the Texas Senate approving a law to force employers to allow their employees to keep weapons in their vehicles on company parking lots.

totally different. If you are keeping your firearm in your vehicle and it is stolen, it is your property that was taken. In this case, the Police Chief had lost a handgun that was the property of the citizens of the city of Orlando. Discipline should result. Remember that there is no evidence here that the gun was stolen.

If you lost company property at your job, what would happen to you?

The thing here is that, like always, there are members here that would support a cop's actions, even if that cop gunned down a bus full of school children, and any criticism of the cop in question would be called "cop bashing" and the thread would be closed.

She screwed up and should be disciplined.

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