Antique guns trigger UMSL campus scare

[Yoda]

At least they weren't toy guns....

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/article_23dd64d2-ec2c-11df-abfb-00127992bc8b.html

- - - Yoda

 

[razorback2003]

Muzzleloaders used for demonstrations created this scare? Goodness what is the world coming to.

 

[millertyme]

It's good that they were able to test their system but it's not so good that the professor had not given proper notice of what he was doing. Remember, lots of people died as a result of muzzle-loading muskets. Probably not too many in recent times, but there was a time when that was the equivalent of a modern pistol-gripped, flash-suppressor equipped, detachable magazine fed, auto-loading killing machine.

 

[M-Cameron]

ermm......i dunno.....i think the professor dun goofed.

now i dont agree with "gun free zones"...

.....but since most schools are one.....you think someone with a little common sense would realize its probably not a great idea to be walking around with one...whether it was for a class or not..

your average person doesnt know a 1911 from an AK-47.......so what makes you think theyll know the difference between an antique muzzle loader and something a gunman would realistically use.

 

[MTMilitiaman]

True story:

It's the year 2000, I am a junior in high school. I show up for my third period physics class. As my peers and I take our seats and whisper amongst ourselves, I notice our teacher pull a rifle case from behind his desk and approach the front podium. Others must have too, because the room is quickly silent. With our full attention, he holds up a cartridge and asks if we all know what it is. One chick replies shyly, "that's a bullet, right?" He shrugs. "Actually," I interject, "it's a cartridge, more correctly what looks from here to be along the lines of a 7.62x39 millimeter." His lack of reaction at the vagueness of my peer's reply turns to an almost disturbed interest in the detail and correctness of my reply. "Very good, and you're correct...you want to take a swing at what this is?" He pulls a rifle from the case. That's an easy one. "Assuming the loaded round is for it, a Ruger Mini-30." I was right again, and the point is that this is after Columbine, in a public high school, and a teacher brought a modern semi-auto rifle and ammunition to class as part of a physics lesson, and no one more than raised an eyebrow. No alarms. No cops...

What is happening to our country?

 

[M-Cameron]

umm...MTM.......what class was this in?


and your lucky you live in a free state, all be it an odd thing to do in a classroom.....if someone tried that in MA, the SWAT team would be knocking down doors.....

 

[seal]

That's why I try to transport in a case

 

[Idempotent]

Yup, the simple solution here is to always carry your guns cased. Even though it might still technically be legal for you to carry them around uncased (depending on where you live), do you really want to invite all that extra hassle? Let them see the long case and guess, than see the rifle, know for sure, and then turn around and call the cops.

 

[Dokkalfar]

wow.. seriously, where is this high school? Even in most states (TX) a gun on high-school campus would cause a major ruckus, at least in a urban city school.

 

[merlinfire]

so much fail.


just wow.

 

[Cosmoline]

"The gunman has called for a cease fire for 'a spell' while he makes more roundballs and cuts patches."

 

[desidog]

Well, if you had an exam ... and you didn't study ... and you saw a guy walk by with a musket ... that seems like as good a reason as any to get out of the exam. One quick call?

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

Desidog, I like the way you think.

Can't say that I'd do that myself, since I was hoping to be able to legally carry on school property one day... But if I didn't have skin in the gun rights game, I'd definitely do that to get out of an exam that I wasn't prepared for.

 

[M-Cameron]

unless i got a really good look at the guns and knew the professor was using them for a class.....i probably would have called the police also......

not saying i agree with it....but schools are "gun free zones" (although who actually carries a long gun as a carry weapon).......so its safe to assume that someone walking around with a gun is there to cause some trouble......

 

[MTMilitiaman]

so its safe to assume that someone walking around with a gun is there to cause some trouble......

Is it?

 

[M-Cameron]

well lemme put it this way......im not willing to risk it.


i honestly cant think of a legitimate situation where someone would be walking around with a rifle on a college campus.

 

[Cosmoline]

--They're using it for class
--They're buying or selling it
--They're showing it to someone
--They're going to keep it there or they're moving it out

 

[M-Cameron]

--They're using it for class
--They're buying or selling it
--They're showing it to someone
--They're going to keep it there or they're moving it out

--what class would that be....
--you buy/sell guns at a schools often?
--again, should not be showing people guns in public....especially on a college campus.
--no school i know of lets you keep a gun in your dorm....

it honestly sounds like your struggling to think of a reason.

 

[CB900F]

Fella's;

There I was, incarcerated in a public high school, for several long years. The indignities I was forced to suffer! I had to learn to field strip and assemble two fully automatic weapons, the BAR & the M3 grease gun. Not only that, I was also exposed in the same fashion to the M1 Garand, and the 1911A1 pistol. In class, in school, during normal school hours.

But that's not the worst of it. Oh no, not by a long shot! After school, there were the shooting contests. I, personally, launched thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of rounds of .22 lr ammunition downrange, in the school building!

Disclaimer: I am not responsible for the cardiac arrests on any card-carrying NEA members who read this.

900F

 

[gun addict]

so because it is an academic enviroment automatically anyone who brings a gun on campus is now there to cause serious trouble?

 

[jlrhiner]

My understanding was he was also dressed in period clothing. Evidently this is something he's done in his class for several years.

 

[M-Cameron]

so because it is an academic enviroment automatically anyone who brings a gun on campus is now there to cause serious trouble?

no, if youve got a rifle locked up in a case, or if you are carrying your CCW, chances are pretty good your not up to trouble....

.....but if you are walking around with a gun out in the open....then yeah, chances are you are up to something.......

and its not just an academic environment......if i see someone walking into the supermarket with a rifle.....ide call the police also...

 

[MTMilitiaman]

i honestly cant think of a legitimate situation where someone would be walking around with a rifle on a college campus.

Lemme put it this way; you're thinking too hard.

This is a free country with an expressed guaranteed right, or so the paperwork states. A person does need a specific reason to carry a rifle around, esp since Missouri is supposedly a state that still allows open carry. If their state constitution reads anything like ours, it not only specifically protects the open carry and transportation of firearms, but prohibits county and local governments from restricting this right. Rather, in any free state in this Union, one should have to have a specific and immediate reason to prohibit one from carrying openly, such as a crime they are currently committing with it. That is, if we want to continue to profess to be free...

Or is it cool if people call the cops on you any time you carry something identifiable that could be used to commit a crime?

 

[M-Cameron]

ok.....so you see a guy walk into a bank with a gun in his hand.........are you gonna call the police, or is he just exercising his second amendment right.......


yes i fully support the 2A.....but i also believe that people need to practice common sense and have a bit of reason.....and i also realize we live in the 21st century and dont need to shoot bears on the way into town...thus i dont need to tote a rifle with me everywhere i go.

 

[Guy de Loimbard]

yes i fully support the 2A.....but i also believe that people need to practice common sense and have a bit of reason.....and i also realize we live in the 21st century and dont need to shoot bears on the way into town...thus i dont need to tote a rifle with me everywhere i go.

http://www.mininggazette.com/page/content.detail/id/500810/Wandering-bear-spotted-in-downtown-Hancock.html

Granted this bear was not aggressive. But if it had been, maybe somebody would have needed to shoot a bear on the way into town?