Any advice on "assault" .308/ 7.62x51 rifles?

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I was thinking I should have something more than a .223 for hunting anyway, and while I at least hope we'll be able to get some pattern of hunting rifles in many calibres in the future it is looking a bit dim for certain patterns of rifle that would earn the "assault" label and it might be interesting/useful to have such a weapon in any case even if they stay availible.

However I'm pretty uninformed about this particular class of weapon and I'm pretty inexperienced with cartridges heavier than the .223.

I'm hoping you guys can clue me in on some good options.

A few specific questions:

-What are your thoughts on muzzle breaks for a weapon like this? Good idea or just a good way to make yourself deaf sooner?

-Are the magazines at all standardized as with STANAG 5.56?

-Anything you really need to watch out for or check when buying?
 
Hey man I hunt western Montana with a Armalite AR10T carbine exclusively. Its a great rifle to pack through brush and handy to carry with many sling options. Yep don't use .223 on big game unless you HAVE to. Its all about shot placement but most of us are rarely perfect in that respect. Also check you local game laws before selecting a minimum cartridge some states have a minimum caliber and .223 usually does not make the cut. .243 is often the minimum. Here in Montana its ANY centerfire cartridge.
 
I hunt with an AR-10 and it is a heavy pig of a gun probably 13 lbs scoped with a 5 rounder. I just got a 6.8SPC upper for my ar-15 that I plan on using as a dedicated night scoped hog gun. My 6.8 SPC AR-15 is 3-4 lbs lighter than my AR-10. I also have a Browning BAR Longtrac in .30-06 that makes a far better hunting rig with lower weight/length and slightly more accurate than AR-10 plus a little better velocity energy out of .30-06. If you want something a little more tacticool than a BAR look into its cousins the Winchester SX-AR and the FN model FN-AR they are much better hunting guns than AR-10. If you are set on AR platform check out the .300aac/6.8spc/.450 bushmaster or even .243 WSSM or .25WSSM , all fit in standard AR-15 lightweight package but good luck finding one right now.
 
A few specific questions:

-What are your thoughts on muzzle breaks for a weapon like this? Good idea or just a good way to make yourself deaf sooner?

-Are the magazines at all standardized as with STANAG 5.56?

-Anything you really need to watch out for or check when buying?

- haven't shot one, but all reports are that recoil is not bad.

- no. Modern day Armalite takes a modified M14 mag. DPMS, CMMG, KAC and original vingage armalite take anotherr mag. Rock River Arms LAR8 takes FAL mags.

- I'd just look for one in stock today.
 
I have the FNAR, which of course is completely different than the AR10 pattern guns. Mine is the light 20" model and I've been very happy with it, it uses proprietary magazines.

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As already mentioned today is not the day to be shopping for one though, I would be very surprised if any are still available.
 
Thanks for the replies!

I noticed the comments on weight being high but recoil not being so bad. In that case, do any of you have any thoughts on the short and light DPMS rifles like the Sportical and the even lighter Compact Hunter?

Would you advise against m1a varients in favor of more modern designs?

Although I suppose what I'm really hearing is that the atores will be out, the manufacturers backordered, and so if I want to get something I may need to hit up a gun show like it's a black friday door buster and not be picky.
 
There are no assault rifles chambered in 308 Win/7.62x51. The 308/7.62x51 is a full power rifle cartridge. To be an assault rifle it must be chambered for an intermediate rifle cartridge such as the 7.62x39 or 5.56x45 AND capable of select fire, that is either semi-auto or full-auto/burst
 
Well no, something chambered in 7.62x51 isn't technically an assault rifle. They are typically defined as battle rifles, which isn't as strict of a definition as assault rifle. But politicians don't seem to know, or even care, about the difference. Anything that doesn't look like the hunting rifles and shotguns in grandpa's gun cabinet is an assualt weapon.

Now, as far as the OP's question, the world of .308 semi auto's is a complex one. The main platforms you will see are FAL's, CETME/G3/HK-91's, AR-10's, and M14/M1A's. There are also a few oddballs out there like the FNAR mentioned above, and a whole lot of variation of the platforms I listed, especially the AR pattern rifles which follow no set standards and vary on things like magazine design and operating principles.

Your best bet is to look at the different base platforms available, choose one that suits you, and work your way from there.
 
Mistwolf, nobody is arguing about the assault rifle point.

Unfortunitly the pattern of weapon we're talking about in this thread may soon be again considered an assault weapon which also includes things that look like submachineguns as well as shotguns with a seven shell tube and pistol grip. So, while we can't know if Obama will be able to do what he says he's trying to do, if you want anything like that you might want to get it now.

That's presuming there are "grandfathering" clauses again.


As for choosing one that suits me, that's what I'm trying to get a start on here, as I may not have years to try out different models personally.

Though it sounds like I should maybe be instead focusing on what the lemons are out there so I know when to walk away from that last .308 with a 20 round box mag that nobody has bought yet.
 
We got the old man a SCAR 17 for Christmas and I've been very impressed with it. Or at least as impressed as you can be with a rifle before you actually shoot it. :rolleyes: It goes 8.5lbs out of the box and 9lbs 13oz with a Burris PEPR and Leupold VXR 1.25-4x. Which is no lightweight but it balances very well. Whereas all the AR-10 variants I've handled have felt overly heavy in the middle. The downside is the exorbitant cost of $2600-$2800, before the panic buying set in. The other downside are the proprietary magazines, which were $50 apiece before Chicken Little declared that the sky was falling.
 
Can we say FAL rifle, select fire. Chambered in 7.62x51/.308, it is every bit of an "assault rifle". The term is a word made up by the media/politicians to scare the general public, don't fall for it. Yes, the correct term would be battle rifle, just like the current M16/M4 series is the current battle rifle of the US.
I would pick up a FAL, CETME, G3, SCAR, simply because they may be harder to find. Compared to the amount of AR's (Armalite Rifle, not assault) out there. A better return for resale down the road.
 
This past week, I spent two days deer hunting with my DPMS LR308 16". Sure, the 16" barrel looses steam at 900 yards, but good luck seeing more then about 150 yards in the woods around this part of Tennessee.

Since most of your shooting will be a single rounds fired, a brake is overkill and will simply make you go deaf sooner. A flash hider or some sort of other muzzle protector is a good idea. Firing any rifle without hearing protection is painful.

The LR308 model uses the KAC SR-25 pattern magazine, which has been gaining steam as the defacto AR-10-style .308 magazine. Magpul makes a SR25 pattern P-mag. Prior to resent events, it was widely available.

Weight-wise, I don't find the LR308 16" carbine to be that heavy to carry. It could have more sling points, but I am ok with the ones it has. Its not hard to attach a sling to it. I think it clock in at about 11lb with scope and magazine.

One other note, if you go with a 1:10 twist barrel, the heavier 168gr+ loads seem to have the best accuracy.
 
Ar-10, DPMS lr308, Remington SR25, are nice rifles. I didn't want to like them because they have aluminum recievers and look like an AR-15.
I like the steel M14/M1A guns. Plus they don't look all tactical while being very capable at short and long range, and if you want them to look or handle like something tactical you could put them in an EBR mod 0 stock.
While appreciateing the FAL and G3, proven military designs that can withstand a lot of abuse and are well made steel firearms as well.
The FNAR is a high quality accurate rifle based on the BAR, but it also has too many small parts in it for my liking, and combined with not having proven itself rugged in large scale military use is less of a proven design under potentially hard use.

But the AR-10 style is actually very nice. The design with the bore, bolt, and buffer tube going straight back in the stock results in minimal side to side or up or down movement during cycling compared to many other .308 semi autos. Muzzle rise is greatly reduced and the sight picture less disturbed.
Not enough difference in .223 to matter in semi auto, but in .308 it makes a difference with the increased mass of the cycling bolt.
308 seem a lot more tame and manageable than it should or than it does in other rifles of similar weights in the caliber.
Then the majority manage to be more accurate than even many M1As.
With tiny groups once dialed in. While being cheaper to maintain.
Accurate and simplier recoil. Hard to fault.

I still don't like the looks. I like a tactical looking firearm some times like at the range, but I also like to be able to look like some fudd other times. Looking like a fudd gives you more benefit of the doubt when you run into people hunting, transporting, open carrying a short distance, or if you ever defended yourself, etc
It keeps people more at ease, even when just as capable or more capable than a tactical black looking rifle with things coming off at abrupt angles.
You have your traditional looking rifle out at the campsite and it blends in, even in more left leaning states. A few people might give it a look but won't freak out if nothing intimidating is being done with it.
While with the AR you always get that scary rifle reaction and no slack from people or law enforcement.
Also even if you do like AR-15s, the .308 AR-10 types look so similar the average person will probably just think it is an AR-15/m16, and not a different firearm altogether. It certainly isn't unique looking and people won't even know what you got unless you tell them or they get close or hear the discharge. So they won't appreciate the difference and lump it in as just another guy with an AR-15 unless they are a firearm person.
Its kinda like another Glock. But for function they are quite nice.






As for 'assault rifle', that is a real term that meant a selective fire weapon using an intermediate (weaker than standard) rifle cartridge.
This is an important distinction because the whole development was to sacrifice power on semi auto or at range to gain something that was more controllable in full auto (modern use in the US armed services notwithstanding.)
Compare that to a 'Battle Rifle' which would be something in a full power cartridge, in semi or select fire. These were the m14/FAL in NATO forces.
They are not as controllable in full auto, but are more powerful and have greater range and effectiveness per round while still being quite manageable in semi-auto, with the select fire more of an option for really close range rarities. Today such things tend to be limited more to the designated marksman role, and a few other roles, rather than the standard arm.


'Assault Weapon' on the other hand is a political term that means a lot more. It does include ARs and AKs as people imagine, and similar looking rifles, but also many shotguns and handguns too. It also expands to include new things at various times.
So it doesn't even mean tactical weapon, or tactical rifle. In CA a 1911 with a threaded barrel is an 'Assault Weapon'.
It is a loose term with varying definitions that change and bring different things within the umbrella of the scary term the average joe thinks they understand.

So people would normally say battle rifle.
 
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Can we say FAL rifle, select fire. Chambered in 7.62x51/.308, it is every bit of an "assault rifle". The term is a word made up by the media/politicians to scare the general public, don't fall for it. Yes, the correct term would be battle rifle, just like the current M16/M4 series is the current battle rifle of the US.

Actually, the term "assualt rifle" is derived from the German Stg-44, named Sturmgewehr, or "storm rifle". Today, an assualt rifle is defined as a an intermediate caliber rifle with a detachable magazine and select fire capability. Since the 7.62x51 is a full power rifle cartridge, it technically prevents any rifle from being called an assualt rifle. That's where battle rifle usually comes into play. It's a much more loose definition, usually used to describe any number of rifles using full power cartridges.

The term "assualt weapon" was created by politicians and the media. They throw it around when describing any type of gun they find scary and think only their personal body guards should have access to. They use it to scare folks who know absolutely nothing about firearms into voting their way, and it's a term that most true gun enthusiets take offense to.
 
"Assault Weapon", thats the term I should have used and was thinking of. Thanks for the clarification, getting a bit flustered from all the anti language everywhere you look these days.
 
Though it is not an "assault weapon" I really like my Ruger Scout Rifle in .308 , the maximum mag I have found is 10 rounds, but it still is box mag fed. MUCH lighter than my RRA LAR 308.
Really depends on you, and how you intend to use it. Riding in and firing from a fixed point, go big. Humping it, maybe not.
 
Don't get a military-style semi-auto battle rifle with the idea of hunting with it. While possible, it's not well suited to the job (unless you get something like an 18" AR15 in 6.8 SPC). Lots of bolt-action battle rifles work fine for this, though.

FN-FALs are good, well-balanced rifles. M1As look like the best rifle from WWII (which they should), but aren't good for scoping in traditional mufti. If you plan on getting a M1A and dropping it in another chassis, you should just buy a different rifle to begin with.

John
 
I have a little experience with two different battle rifles and am happy with both, though they are vastly different. I am fairly familiar with the M1A rifles and they are very durable and reasonably accurate for the most part. I really like the M1A "Bush Rifle" configuration with the 18" barrel. On another note, I also like the RRA LAR-8 rifles in 7.62 with a 20" barrel. The AR type rifles are easier to scope and mine has been quite accurate. After market parts are cheaper and easier to obtain for the RRA than they are for the M1A. Both are great platforms for their intended purposes and both can use 20 round magazines. The Rock River would normally be cheaper.
 
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