Any cannon owners here?
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Phantom Captain
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Awesome! Way cool.
Cool! I know a few guys who've built williams guns. Those things are cool as hell!
RetiredUSNChief
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Sweet!
230RN
2A was "political" when it was first adopted.
Interesting video of details of loading and firing a Parrott rifle, including fuse setting, loading, firing, and hitting a target 2K yd away with shells.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzvRjazXeSA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzvRjazXeSA
doug strong
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Chief, That is amazing. I may have to follow suit and build one myself.
RetiredUSNChief
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If you get serious on this at some point, PM me and I'll send you some more details on how I did this. Eventually, I'll draft up the exact dimensions for my patterns and the carriage components, but I do have a Word document which explains the history of my project, with pictures and links.
One of these days, I'll sit down and draft up a list of all the materials required, including material part numbers from Lowes and such.
Does anyone know the size of the eve mortar? By the bore size I'm guessing its a 24 pounder but it doesn't say. I'm thinking of going half in on one with a friend of mine. I think we could build one carriage and all for under 700.
Problem is finding the implements to go with it
Problem is finding the implements to go with it
Mike1234567
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Mike... SS cannon arrived today. It's very nice. Thanks!!
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RetiredUSNChief
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Give me a few links to illustrate what you mean by this and I'll do a little research to see what I can come up with. I hadn't heard of an "eve mortar" and simple google searches turn up stuff about "organic mortar".
Myself, I'm going to work on a pair of replica Civil War era mortars sometime for the kids...something to launch fireworks from. I've got notes/sketches somewhere of the Civil War mortars on the Charleston Battery in downtown Charleston, SC.
kBob
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The ACW Coehorn was a 24mpounder and used the same shell and case as the 24 pound howitzer. For short distance it was portable by four men and four others carried a few shells, fuzes ,and cartridges. Firing was an art form as one had to be able to tell range, judge how much powder was needed with the base at the angle it was at that moment and how long to cut the fuze plug.
Their chief value was their ability to drop bursting shells and case behind a wall or in a depression. Their portability was also a plus.
On the other hand they had little value against rapidly advancing troops and no ability to defend themselves with Cannister as the range got close.
They filled the same niche as a modern Infantry Battalion 122mm or older 4,2 inch mortar company sort of though more likely only a few were available per regiment.
-kBob
Their chief value was their ability to drop bursting shells and case behind a wall or in a depression. Their portability was also a plus.
On the other hand they had little value against rapidly advancing troops and no ability to defend themselves with Cannister as the range got close.
They filled the same niche as a modern Infantry Battalion 122mm or older 4,2 inch mortar company sort of though more likely only a few were available per regiment.
-kBob
forward observer
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I was away for some time and lost track of this thread. Anyway to catch up.
@ RetiredUSN Chief,
Love the carbide naval cannon. I wish I was that handy with PVC and lumber.
@Phantom Captain,
Nice models, I still have some kits packed away, but just never seem get the urge to build any now. Besides, I've simply run out of room to display them.
Looks like KBob has provided good info on the historical stuff.
and last, but not least
@Jaxenro,
Only one of my four 1/6 scale models is a shooter. It is the M1841 with a steel barrel. It was made in China by CAS Hanwei, but is no longer in production.
The others are static models made in Japan to go with 1/6th scale Napoleonic action figures.
However, Dixie gunworks in Union City, TN still carries several cannon models from small scale to full size.
They still sell a kit to make a small bronze 1/8th scale M1841--the same one posted in my very first picture. It's a .50 caliber and sells for $130. (When I built mine 35 years ago the kit sold for $40. The barrel comes rough cast, so it helps if you have a lathe to turn it down and polish it. However, I did it years ago by chucking it in a drill. It's carriage is cast aluminum, but they have others with wood carriages.
If you don't want to fool with a kit, they also sell several finished models--including a large Napoleon III, which is approximately 1/5 scale.
This is a .69 cal. model made in Spain and is essentially the same cannon that CVA used to sell as a kit. It's the same as the cannon on the right of the steel barreled M1841 in one of my pictures of two cannons on an old picnic table.
Here's a link to their cannon page:
https://www.dixiegunworks.com/default.php?cPath=22_106_665&osCsid=2tijm0enecthas0jtui2erprh5
At $765, the large Napoleon III isn't cheap, but it's a beautiful model.
However, they do occasionally come up at auction for less. I see them on
Ebay quite a bit in the $400 to $600 range, but one has to watch for condition
because many of the people who buy them are not black powder enthusiasts
and thus don't know to clean them after every shooting session.
Cheers
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Mike1234567
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Sorry to go OT but "forward observer"... was away and lost track. Kinda funny.
Kaeto
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I'd love to have a scaled down copy of "The Dictator" Which was a 13" mortar.
forward observer
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I'd love to have a scaled down copy of "The Dictator" Which was a 13" mortar.
There is a gentleman by the name of Dominic Carpenter, who was making such a model in several sizes--from very small to at least a golf ball size. Here's a shot of his golf ball size model:
Unfortunately, he downsized his shop and no longer makes them, and I missed out before he quit.
He also produced a limited run of nine inch Dahlgren's mounted on an iron Marsilly style carriage in micro scale.
I was lucky enough to get one of these. It's really a neat cannon, but I've yet to fire it.
Cheers
Kaeto
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Nice!
If I was going for Dahlgrens I'd want models of a pair of 12"ers on slide carriages to do a mock-up of the Monitor's turret.
If I was going for Dahlgrens I'd want models of a pair of 12"ers on slide carriages to do a mock-up of the Monitor's turret.
forward observer
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You are correct, and I should have mentioned that.
I am unsure about posting commercial links here, but one can simply enter
"Dominic Carpenter Cannons" in Google and it will bring his site up.
However, his production now seems limited to stylized simple mortars that are not modeled after any particular historical piece. I think this may be due to the fact that he no longer has a large enough lathe or milling equipment to do such work.
Cheers
Phantom Captain
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Speaking of the Dictator,
I have a couple shots from when I was doing one of my many battlefield tours of a reproduction Dictator in one of it's actual positions in the trench lines around Petersburg. It's massive in the flesh.
It's not the greatest picture but on the plaque there is a photo of this actual position back during the war.
I have a couple shots from when I was doing one of my many battlefield tours of a reproduction Dictator in one of it's actual positions in the trench lines around Petersburg. It's massive in the flesh.
It's not the greatest picture but on the plaque there is a photo of this actual position back during the war.
Mike1234567
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Sorry to go OT but...
How loosely should the mortar rounds fit in the barrel? Should the bore diameter be approximately 20% larger than the projectiles? That seems a bit too loose to me.
I guess everyone can tell I know nothing about cannons.
How loosely should the mortar rounds fit in the barrel? Should the bore diameter be approximately 20% larger than the projectiles? That seems a bit too loose to me.
I guess everyone can tell I know nothing about cannons.
Damn I never noticed that typo. Was supposed to be the dgw mortar. I thought the Paulson brothers might have had the implements but I didn't see any listed.
Phantom Captain
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Mike1234567
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Phantom Captain... thank you!!
So the bore diameter should be approximately 1.025x the mortar diameter. Me thinks I have a problem with mine which is more like 1.15-1.2x.
So the bore diameter should be approximately 1.025x the mortar diameter. Me thinks I have a problem with mine which is more like 1.15-1.2x.
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