Any info on the new Brownig 1911-22

[Moose458]

Anybody have anything on this new Browning. Supposedly 15% small than the full size 1911. But it is still a 1911, a .22lr, and a Browning at that, so what's not to like. Have they hit the market yet, and has anyone actually held one?

 

[DPris]

Made in the Salt Lake City plant that builds Buckmarks under contract for Browning.
The size you mention is correct.
Two versions, one is a shorter barrel & slide than the other.
Alloy frame & slide on both.

Were supposed to be out now, looks like they've been delayed a bit.
Denis

 

[MattTheHat]

I want!

 

[451 Detonics]

For me the biggest problem is the fact it is scaled down. This changes muscle memory and can cause mistakes when changing back top a fullsized 1911.

 

[Moose458]

For me the biggest problem is the fact it is scaled down. This changes muscle memory and can cause mistakes when changing back top a fullsized 1911.

I've read this on other forums also, but I don't understand the problem. IT'S a 1911!!! How much different can it be? The safety is in the same place, the mag release is the same, the hammer works the same, so your hand fits it the same. So you're telling me that your muscle memory is so exact that it cant handle a 1911 that is 85% the size of a full size 1911. Does that mean you cant interchange between a full size 1911 and a Commander size 1911 either? I don't have a problem switching between my full size, my compact, or my Sig P238 1911s. However since these Brownings apparently are a limited series, the more poeple that don't want one, will help make sure I can get one.

 

[DPris]

It's not the same as changing between a GM & a Commander.
EVERYTHING is smaller, not just a different slide & barrel length. The hand does not fit it the same.

And, the .22 is not a limited edition. The non-commemorative version is intended to be an ongoing catalogued item.
Denis

 

[mgmorden]

I gotta agree with Dpris: on a Commander size 1911 vs Government, the ratio of everything is still idential. The mag release is still the same distance below the slide - the slide release is still the same distance forward of the safety. The width of the grip from front to back is still the same.

On scale down, all that goes out the window. All your controls are now at completely different distances from each other vs a real 1911. Is it something that most people could adjust to? Sure, but that adjustment is pretty much just the same as getting used to a completely different pistol.

For me, this thing just holds no interest. If I want a .22, I'll get a Buckmark or a Ruger. If I want a 1911, I'll get a real one. If I REALLY wanted a 1911 that fires .22 I'd get a conversion slide for a real one.

 

[451 Detonics]

My point exactly, you scale down the gun you scale down grip size, distances to controls, etc. With a high quality conversion costing less I just can't see a purpose for it. Maybe if I had a kid with very small hands it might be useful as a trainer till they grew into a real 1911 but that would be about it. Even one of the GSG 22's would be preferable to me.

 

[NG VI]

If it's scaled down the ratios should be the same, just the dimensions will be 15% smaller. Slightly smaller frame, slightly smaller slide, slightly smaller controls. I don't buy that it will be so different it'll cock you up going back to an ordinary 1911.

 

[Petros]

I would not buy it. Maybe a person wants one to practice with a holster as well. At 15% smaller, it probly swims around in most holsters. Dumb on Brownings part. I know that percentage is not huge and the holster could work yada yada yada, but in the end it's still not the same and that would bug me.

 

[Moose458]

I would not buy it. Maybe a person wants one to practice with a holster as well. At 15% smaller, it probly swims around in most holsters. Dumb on Brownings part. I know that percentage is not huge and the holster could work yada yada yada, but in the end it's still not the same and that would bug me.

They also make a 15% smaller holster to go along with the pistol. But what happens to all that muscle memory when you change to a completely different gun? What, your memory can jump from a Buckmark or a Ruger MarkII/III back to a 1911, but not from a 15% smaller 1911. Sorry guys, but I've got to call Bulls$$$ on this. If you don't want to buy one, that's fine, to each his own, but not to buy one because its a little smaller and will mess up your shooting a full size .45APC 1911 doesn't hold water. I gues you'd be dead meat if you got into a gun fight and lost your 1911 and somebody hands you a Glock.

 

[NG VI]

+10 to Moose. Very few of my guns have been the same platform, and while I'm nothing special, I'm not a terrible shooter either.

Whatcha gonna do in the zombie apocalypse if the exact platform you own isn't the one handy?

 

[Petros]

Maybe I would be dead meat? My shooting is hampered switching between guns, esp Glock to whatever else is in the toybox. I recently bought 2 more guns that have thumb safeties on them. We go shoot and at least once I forget to flip it off. When I used my Kimber 1911 all the time, at matches ect 10 years ago, No problems with safeties. Shooting some speed drills for follow up shots, definately see a difference in times between guns. Wether it be sight picture, balance, trigger, grip angle, or recoil it's not the same. Now unless I devoted all my effort to one gun, I will only be "ok" with any of them. I'm good with that after watching numerous people shoot that don't shoot. I and I think some others here, can't figure out why Browning would shrink a gun that appears to be a training aid. Minimize the differences and keep the size the same. Not looking for a pi$$ing match, but a good conversion makes more sense....Unless a person just wants one just because..I've been there a lot and will again. Petros

 

[mgmorden]

I gues you'd be dead meat if you got into a gun fight and lost your 1911 and somebody hands you a Glock.

Dead meat, maybe not, but take a competition shooter or the like, who practices day in, day out, with a 1911, and hand them a Glock. I'm willing to bet that while they'll still shot a respectable score, it'll be a lower score than usual, and their time will go up.

As I said in my post, it's not exactly an insurmountable challenge, and most people could get used to it, but going from a 85% scale 1911 to a full sized 1911 pretty much is exactly like going to a completely different gun.

To me, this gun is simply 1911-esque. It ain't a 1911, and anyone hoping to practice their 1911 shooting with one is doing themselves a disservice. Doesn't mean that they'll be tripping over themselves like the 3 stooges when the move between guns, but there will be some adjustment to be made.

 

[Stevie-Ray]

To me, this gun is simply 1911-esque. It ain't a 1911

That's it in a nutshell. I wanted one also, until I heard of the downsize. Guess I'll stick to wanting the GSG-1911. Standard 1911 grips are small enough for me, I don't need smaller.

 

[Moose458]

Where is it written in stone that the only time you buy a gun is for SHTF or Zombie scenarios? What ever happened to just going out for a fun day plinking? We are talking about a .22lr pistol here. You don't have to be groveling in the dirt running from target to target honing your combat skills. You can HAVE FUN shooting all afternoon, without spending an arm and leg on ammo. 99.99% of you training fanatics will never be in a situation that will require you to use a pistol in a defensive mode. Absolutely be prepared, but don't forget to have a little fun along the way. As for me, I plan on getting a Browning 1911-22 as soon as they become available, and trust that my muscle memory will allow me to transition back to my full size 1911.

 

[The Lone Haranguer]

Where is it written in stone that the only time you buy a gun is for SHTF or Zombie scenarios? What ever happened to just going out for a fun day plinking? We are talking about a .22lr pistol here. You don't have to be groveling in the dirt running from target to target honing your combat skills. You can HAVE FUN shooting all afternoon, without spending an arm and leg on ammo. 99.99% of you training fanatics will never be in a situation that will require you to use a pistol in a defensive mode. Absolutely be prepared, but don't forget to have a little fun along the way.

It is possible - only speculation on my part - that with magazines of a size more proportionate to the small cartridge, and less slide to get moving, a downsized gun may function more reliably. Even the highest quality conversion units or complete guns can be "fussy."

 

[Shear_stress]

What ever happened to just going out for a fun day plinking?

I agree. I mainly shoot for the craziest of reasons: it's fun and challenging. It'd be nice to have another reliable, high quality plinker in the new gun market. Besides, it's reassuring that the gun industry is still capable of making a .22 plinker out of something other than plastic and zinc.

And, yeah, an 85% scale 1911 is in no danger of ruining the muscle memory for the tiny, plastic, DAO .380 I carry every day.

 

[royal barnes]

I have handled the gun and taken it apart. Comes apart just like a standard 1911. Imagine that! It's meant to be a plinker for a good time Saturday afternoon. It was not meant to be a training aid for shooting a standard 1911. I carry a full size 1911 most of the time and am not the least bit concerned with the Browning messing with my "controls mojo". It's a toy!!!
The dealer where I work has been assured of 12 when they are available. Guess who will get one.

 

[mgmorden]

Where is it written in stone that the only time you buy a gun is for SHTF or Zombie scenarios? What ever happened to just going out for a fun day plinking? We are talking about a .22lr pistol here. You don't have to be groveling in the dirt running from target to target honing your combat skills. You can HAVE FUN shooting all afternoon, without spending an arm and leg on ammo. 99.99% of you training fanatics will never be in a situation that will require you to use a pistol in a defensive mode. Absolutely be prepared, but don't forget to have a little fun along the way. As for me, I plan on getting a Browning 1911-22 as soon as they become available, and trust that my muscle memory will allow me to transition back to my full size 1911.

I don't see a single reference to SHTF or zombies until you mentioned them. My specific scenario mentioned was competition, where an adjustment could be an issue. If you're just talking about having fun, I think if you're going to bother adapting to a new gun anyways, you'd be much better served by a Ruger.

Buy it if you want - nobody is trying to stop you. Like it or not though, there is room for some legitimate criticism.

 

[Peter M. Eick]

I already have money down on mine. I went for a full size and 5 mags.

To me this is for my daughter. Lets teach the next generation how to shoot a 1911 format gun instead of worrying about it for SHTF solutions.

It in my mind is a quality 22 for kids so they can go out and learn the safety and shooting and learn the proper techniques with out having a huge 1911 swimming in a 10 year olds hands.

 

[451 Detonics]

But what happens to all that muscle memory when you change to a completely different gun? What, your memory can jump from a Buckmark or a Ruger MarkII/III back to a 1911, but not from a 15% smaller 1911. Sorry guys, but I've got to call Bulls$$$ on this. If you don't want to buy one, that's fine, to each his own, but not to buy one because its a little smaller and will mess up your shooting a full size .45APC 1911 doesn't hold water. I gues you'd be dead meat if you got into a gun fight and lost your 1911 and somebody hands you a Glock.

First I said for me, I didn't say for everyone. These days all I use a 1911 for is competition and scores are often decided by fractions of seconds so perfect muscle memory for my 1911 is extremely important when it comes to drawing and firing. I am good enough with other firearms that I have muscle memory for the other handguns I shoot as well. My hand knows the difference between a Glock, a 1911, a K-Frame, etc. For my purposes I am better off with a full size 1911 in 22.

 

[MattTheHat]

Hate to resurrect and older thread, but has anyone seen a 1911-22 in the wild? I'll certainly be grabbing the first one or two I see.


-Matt

 

[VA27]

I talked to the area Browning Rep last week. He was bemoaning the fact that his dealers have been ragging him about the 'no show' status of the little gun. No word on the problem, they're just not ready yet.

I got to shoot one last fall when he was showing it around. Fun little gun. Perfect size and weight for a camping and trail gun. Like the old Llama only lighter.