Any news about SIG's expected Aug 14th P320 announcement?

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9mmepiphany said:
While you may find it hard to believe, their are many knowledgeable, as opposed to casual, users who have no intention of sending their 320s in to be upgraded.

They have them setup the way they want and don't see the need to make them more resistant to discharge when dropped a certain way
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If they've had trigger modifications done that address the drop issue, that's not a problem. If they haven't and they do drop it and it discharges, injuring or killing someone, the lawyers for those people are going to use the fact that they knew or should have known of the drop issue, did nothing to address it when it could have been avoided at no cost to them by sending it to Sig for repair, and now someone was injured or died from their negligence. It's a really bad idea to open yourself up to that risk.
 
ClickClickD'oh said:
So... what.. you think they will be charged with Double Plus Ungood Manslaughter?
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I was referring to civil liability, not criminal. I'm not a practicing attorney, but I do have a law degree. If the gun is dropped, goes off and would not have gone off had the repair been done, an attorney will use that against you. Given that the repairs are being done at no cost to owners, if I was on the jury I would ask why the owner didn't send the gun to Sig.
 
TomJ said:
If the gun is dropped, goes off and would not have gone off had the repair been done, an attorney will use that against you
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Might hint at why it isn't being referred to as a Recall. They aren't "repairing" it, they are "upgrading" it...I would think on the advice of their Legal Department

After all, the factory gun does meet all the SAAMI safety standards
 
Likely the same percentage as those who own a pre-series 80 1911 clone or Browning Hi-power
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And we come full circle, the risk from a muzzle down discharge of the pre-series 80 1911 is orders of magnitude less than the risk from a round launched upward at about a 30 degree angle from vertical. "Modern" pre-series 80 1911 further reduce the risk by using lighter firing pins and stronger firing pin return springs and generally don't fire when hitting muzzle down from heights used in "normal" shooting. Check the Omaha Outdoors follow up video:

at ~3:40 he drops a Springfield 1911

or the article at:
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...maha-outdoors-drop-test-follow-dropping-guns/
 
TomJ said:
If the gun is dropped, goes off and would not have gone off had the repair been done, an attorney will use that against you.
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If you drop the gun and it goes off, you are liable for what ever damage it caused. End of story. It doesn't matter if the gun should have gone off or not. The time for that argument has passed... it went off. The rest is just needless foofery.
 
ClickClickD'oh said:
If you drop the gun and it goes off, you are liable for what ever damage it caused. End of story. It doesn't matter if the gun should have gone off or not. The time for that argument has passed... it went off. The rest is just needless foofery.
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That's not true. It's the difference between your attorney being able to portray you as a gun owner who took all reasonable precautions to carry and shoot your gun safely, but the accident tragically occurred and the plaintiff's attorney being able to portray you a a gun owner who knew the gun could go off if dropped, could have had that condition corrected at no cost and decided to gamble with the lives of others, leading to the injury or death of their client. Had that gun owner taken the simple step of shipping the gun to Sig at no cost and having it repaired at no cost, when dropped it most likely would not have gone off. Juries are comprised of human beings, and how they view you can make a significant difference in how they rule.

Keep in mind I own three P320's as well as a P226, 220, 229 and 938. I obviously like Sigs, as I keep buying them. For the life of me I can't understand the rationale of someone who knows this issue exists, can have them upgraded at no cost but yet chooses to unnecessarily gamble with their lives and the lives of others. I get that the odds of dropping one at the angle necessary to cause it to fire are pretty slim, but if you can further reduce those odds by shipping it to Sig, I don't understand why you would't do so, the exception being an upgrade that was already performed that addresses the issue.
 
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That's not true. It's the difference between your attorney being able to portray you as a gun owner who took all reasonable precautions to carry and shoot your gun safely, but the accident tragically occurred and the plaintiff's attorney being able to portray you a a gun owner who knew the gun could go off if dropped, could have had that condition corrected at no cost and decided to gamble with the lives of others, leading to the injury or death of their client. Had that gun owner taken the simple step of shipping the gun to Sig at no cost and having it repaired at no cost, when dropped it most likely would not have gone off. Juries are comprised of human beings, and how they view you can make a significant difference in how they rule.
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If I drop a SIG P320 that hasn't been upgraded and a round is discharged that causes injury or death and I'm facing a lawsuit, you can bet that I'll have my attorney point out that the upgrade was voluntary and according to SIG not necessary for safe operation of the pistol. SIG are the experts re the 320 and it's perfectly reasonable to defer to the advice of the experts so that puts the onus back on SIG.
 
MCMXI said:
If I drop a SIG P320 that hasn't been upgraded and a round is discharged that causes injury or death and I'm facing a lawsuit, you can bet that I'll have my attorney point out that the upgrade was voluntary and according to SIG not necessary for safe operation of the pistol. SIG are the experts re the 320 and it's perfectly reasonable to defer to the advice of the experts so that puts the onus back on SIG.
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These "experts" also said there was no issue when you drop the gun.
 
MCMXI said:
If I drop a SIG P320 that hasn't been upgraded and a round is discharged that causes injury or death and I'm facing a lawsuit, you can bet that I'll have my attorney point out that the upgrade was voluntary and according to SIG not necessary for safe operation of the pistol. SIG are the experts re the 320 and it's perfectly reasonable to defer to the advice of the experts so that puts the onus back on SIG.
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You can make that argument and it may work. Then again it may not, as juries are unpredictable. I'd rather just send mine in.
 
No kidding. I always think about Ruger losing the case to the kid who stole someone's Ruger Blackhawk and then shot himself with it and sued Ruger.
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Anyone can sue but there's such a thing as the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA). How did the jury get around that in this particular case?
 
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