'Any person' has right to gun, state says

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'Any person' has right to gun, state says
Montana claims 2nd Amendment questions already resolved

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Posted: February 20, 2008
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Montana officials are saying that the United States already has resolved any questions about the 2nd Amendment's application, defining that "any person" has the right to bears arms.

That's the issue at hand in a pending U.S. Supreme Court case originating in the District of Columbia, where authorities have banned handguns under the claim that such a limit is "reasonable" and therefore enforceable even given the rights granted by the 2nd Amendment.

U.S. Rep. Virgil Goode, R-Va., has asked President Bush to order the U.S. Justice Department to submit a brief to the high court supporting the rights of individuals under the 2nd Amendment. A similar request already has been submitted by officials for the Gun Owners of America, whose executive director, Larry Pratt, warned:


"If the Supreme Court were to accept the Solicitor General's line of argument, D.C.'s categorical gun ban of virtually all self-defense firearms could well be found to be constitutional. ..."

He warned such a precedent to affirm any and all gun restrictions if they are considered by a judge to be "reasonable" would place those rights on the lowest rung of the constitutional ladder.

"In contrast to other provisions in the Bill of Rights, which can only be trumped by 'compelling state interests,' the 2nd Amendment would be relegated to an inferior position at the lowest rung of the constitutional ladder, should the Justice Department prevail," said Pratt.


Montana Secretary of State Brad Johnson

But officials in Montana, including dozens of state lawmakers as well as Secretary of State Brad Johnson, have joined together in a statement that the U.S. already has determined the application, and 2nd Amendment rights apply to "any person."

In a joint resolution from the Montana leaders, including Congressman Denny Rehberg, they caution that should the Supreme Court decide to change the U.S. interpretation of the 2nd Amendment and allow those rights to apply only collectively, it would violate the contract under which Montana entered the union as a state.

"The Montana Resolution cautions that a collective rights decision would violate the Montana contract for statehood because when that contract was entered the collective rights interpretation had not yet been invented and the individual rights view was an accepted part of the contract," an announcement from the leaders said.

"A collective rights decision in [the pending court case] Heller would not only violate Montana's contract for statehood, but also Montana's customs, culture and heritage. We hope the Supreme Court will recognize and credit the contract argument, an argument unmentioned in any of the briefs submitted in the Heller case," said Gary Marbut, the president of the Montana Shooting Sports Association.

The Montana contract is archived as Article I of the Montana Constitution. At the time the then-territory's "Compact with the United States" was agreed to by Congress, the Montana Constitution included the "right of 'any person' to bear arms," the group said.

"Contracts must be implemented so as to effect the intent of the parties to the contract. A collective rights decision by the court could also call into question the sanctity of contracts, considered to have been a bedrock principle of law for centuries," the group said.

The state was admitted to the union in 1889 under President Benjamin Harrison and he approved the state constitution proposal including the right to bear arms, the officials said.

Any other determination, they said, would "offend" the Compact, officials said.

"[That] language … simply cannot be respun to somehow mean a right of state government," they said.

It could not have referred to the National Guard, which wasn't created until years later, officials said.

"Some speak of a 'living constitution,' the meaning of which may evolve and change over time. However, the concept of a 'living contract,' one to be disregarded or revised at the whim of one party thereto, is unknown. A collective rights holding in Heller would not only open the Pandora's box of unilaterally morphing contracts, it would also poise Montana to claim appropriate and historically entrenched remedies for contract violation," the group said.

Goode earlier wrote Bush that under the perspective being promoted in the District of Columbia, a national ban on all firearms, including hunting rifles, could be considered valid.


Paul Clemen




The government's position is available in a document submitted by by U.S. Solicitor General Paul D. Clement. He said since "unrestricted" private ownership of guns clearly threatens the public safety, the 2nd Amendment can be interpreted to allow a variety of gun restrictions.

"Given the unquestionable threat to public safety that unrestricted private firearm possession would entail, various categories of firearm-related regulation are permitted by the Second Amendment," Clement wrote in the brief.

Because of the specifics of the D.C. case, the ultimate ruling is expected to address directly whether the 2nd Amendment includes a right for individuals nationwide to have a gun or whether local governments can approve whatever laws or ordinances they desire to restrict firearms.

The amendment reads, "A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

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Thanks for reminding me why I'm in the process of filling out my application for a transfer to MSU in Bozeman :)
 
Interesting concept: violation of the contract with the US for granting Statehood.

Just for kicking-around purposes, here's some relevant passages from the Colorado Constitution:


COLORADO CONSTITUTION

ARTICLE II
Bill of Rights

Section 3. Inalienable rights. All persons have certain natural, essential and inalienable rights, among which may be reckoned the right of enjoying and defending their lives and liberties; of acquiring, possessing and protecting property; and of seeking and obtaining their safety and happiness.

Section 13. Right to bear arms. The right of no person to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person and property, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall be called in question; but nothing herein contained shall be construed to justify the practice of carrying concealed weapons. (underlining mine --230RN)

Implications abound, don't they? Start looking at some other US restrictions on the above and....

...I've gotta ruminate and cogitate on that a bit more...
 
PA doesn't have the 1889 contract advantage of MT, but like Colorado says that the right to bear arms "shall not be questioned." ("The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned.") (Of course, it is questioned, constantly, by power-hungry technocrat statists like Philadelpia mayor Michael Nutter.)

I call the contract an "advantage" because unlike the case in MT, it's easy to argue (from the anti-freedom side) that the erosion of rights which has taken place in PA since such pro-freedom clauses were written shows acquiescence, or that the PA clause refers to a collective right anyhow.

Of course, much else in the PA Constitution, as I'm sure in most state constitutions, is ignored anyhow.

timothy
 
"Some speak of a 'living constitution,' the meaning of which may evolve and change over time. However, the concept of a 'living contract,' one to be disregarded or revised at the whim of one party thereto, is unknown.

except for credit card companies.

but to get back to topic, I've said something similar to this for years and people keep looking at me like I'm out of my mind.

Oh, and the Virginia Constitution
Section 13. Militia; standing armies; military subordinate to civil power.

That a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state, therefore, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.
 
Glad to see that MT has decided to take a stand to stop this nonsense, and this is actually a very real argument, and may very well be the "back door" at least some states will use to wipe away federal gun laws. I wonder if MT has had this ace in the hole for a long time and was just waiting for the right case to play it?
 
ZE Spectre wisecracked:
"Some speak of a 'living constitution,' the meaning of which may evolve and change over time. However, the concept of a 'living contract,' one to be disregarded or revised at the whim of one party thereto, is unknown.

except for credit card companies.

Very funny. And apropos.

"Living Document," eh? Like The Bible is a "living document," subject to the will and whim of man?
 
I knew there was a reason I want to retire to the great state of Montana if they will have me of course. Seems like one of the few places left that a man can be free and enjoy a bit of hunting and fishing and live a simple life.
 
ZeSpectre said:
"Some speak of a 'living constitution,' the meaning of which may evolve and change over time. However, the concept of a 'living contract,' one to be disregarded or revised at the whim of one party thereto, is unknown.

except for credit card companies.

actually, when you sign the contract with the credit card company you are agreeing to abide by an agreement which may change at any time without notice.

in the strictist sense, if a "contract" is altered in any way by either party, the contract is invalid.
 
'Any person' has right to gun, state says
Actually, that's what the Second Amendment says. The only Constitutional limitations would be for a person under a "disability," such as incarcerated or otherwise institutionalized, a minor (subject to parental control and responsibility), etc.
 
Way to go Montana! Sounds like it was torn from the pages of Boston's Molon Labe book.

I didn't see it explicitly stated, but the implication is that if the Supreme Court of the United States "finds" the 2A is a collective right, then Montana will secede from the Union. If that happens I am moving to Montana, baby!

If the Montana legislature can get this resolution passed in their next session then we will be guaranteed of having the right to bear arms honored somewhere: either SCOTUS affirms it for the entire nation, or Montana affirms it for its citizens.

This is the most exciting 2A news I have ever heard. Thanks for the post.
 
This is a nice place to live. Now if we can just keep out the riff-raff....
 
you will have to try hard to keep them out. the libs are always trying to move into new territory that they can destroy.
 
My homestate is falling back into my good graces. At least the Johnson and Rehburg have good senses. I should find it amazing, but I don't, that Baucus and Testor's names aren't mentioned.

Lurp--be careful in the Bozeman area, there's wacko libs all over that city and in that college.

LAR-15--what do you mean "libs moving into Kalispel" they were already there but were staying in hiding until recently.

If any one has info on who's in the running against Baucus can you PM me with who they are and if they have websights that actually have info about them (and any other pertintant state issues and positions). This is a downfall of absentee voting in Montana, the state is pretty vague at making it easy to find who's running for what offices.
Thanks in advance.
Ben
 
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