Owen Sparks
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I am thinking about buying a K-31 because I like the way they handle. What kind of accuracy can I expect?
Any Schmidt Ruben fans here?
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LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
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Glad you asked. They are great guns. Capable of great accuracy, you can typically see 1.5" groups. I know people who can hit 1MOA with theirs, and mine, on a good day when I'm in the groove, can do about 1-1.25" groups.
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Very nice accuracy, if the bore is good.
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sayak
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I respect the firearm, but it just looks strange. I have a hard time getting past the syringe type safety and the mini beer keg bolt knob.
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I thought they looked a little goofy too until I handled one.
LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
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It seems like everything about the rifle lends itself to accuracy. Them Swiss are some fine weapons-makers. While they may not look the prettiest to you at first, believe me, they will grow on you to become the most beautiful rifle in the world.
Of course, my K31, my Mosin, and my Mauser look like the world's most beautiful firearms, in my opinion.
Of course, my K31, my Mosin, and my Mauser look like the world's most beautiful firearms, in my opinion.
Tempest 455
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Love them.
I have hit a 8" paper plate 3 out 4 shots at 300 yards with one. They are accurate!
I have hit a 8" paper plate 3 out 4 shots at 300 yards with one. They are accurate!
inclinebench
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I have two K31s and I will probably get more. I have never enjoyed shooting a bolt action rifle so much. The accuracy of these rifles is very impressive, and the quality of workmanship (at least on the metal) is better than any other surplus bolt action rifle, and in my opinion, better than many modern bolt action hunting rifles.
Red October
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Another fan here.
I have the K-31, K-11, G-11, and 96/11. All great shooters.
I have the K-31, K-11, G-11, and 96/11. All great shooters.
jk2008
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You won't regret getting one. The rifles are well-made and typically very accurate. Surplus military 7.5x55 ammo is available at a reasonable price (and is supposedly match grade).
If you reload, you can get boxer-primed ammo from Prvi Partizan or Hornady and you can get unloaded 7.5x55 Prvi Partizan brass. Despite the "7.5" in the cartridge name, the cartridge uses .308" bullets.
If you reload, you can get boxer-primed ammo from Prvi Partizan or Hornady and you can get unloaded 7.5x55 Prvi Partizan brass. Despite the "7.5" in the cartridge name, the cartridge uses .308" bullets.
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they are worth more than they are selling for. if you don't have one, get one.
Mine seems to shoot pretty well...
This was at 50 yds., shooting some cast "powderpuff" loads I made up (165 gr. 30-30 bullet, 7 grains of Bullseye). With PRVI or RUAG full power ammo, I usually get 1 MOA groups with open sights (when I'm having a good shooting day!). I think if I keep tweaking, my cast loads will shrink too. Scoping would probably help, too, but I want to do the D&T mount on the left side of the receiver, so it's going to have to wait a little while!
This was at 50 yds., shooting some cast "powderpuff" loads I made up (165 gr. 30-30 bullet, 7 grains of Bullseye). With PRVI or RUAG full power ammo, I usually get 1 MOA groups with open sights (when I'm having a good shooting day!). I think if I keep tweaking, my cast loads will shrink too. Scoping would probably help, too, but I want to do the D&T mount on the left side of the receiver, so it's going to have to wait a little while!
The K31 is easily the most accurate rifle I own, in fact I'm sure it's accuracy exceeds it's owners. I've only shot the surplus GP11 so I can't comment on the boxer primed rounds. It also has the easiest to use charger or stripper clip I've ever used. At one time they would give you a few when purchasing ammo, then they went to a dollar apiece, today they are outrageous(over $6). One last thing, they didn't use oil on the moving parts instead they used a type of yellow grease. Lubriplate #930 is an acceptable substitute. If you have the chance to pick one up at a reasonable price do so, you wont be disappointed.
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I have found Prvi 7.5 x 55 to be as accurate at the GP11, at least in my rifle.
I just bought mine a few weeks ago. Upon unpackaging it, I found it to be in rough shape, with a chewed stock and a lot of worn bluing. When I took the bolt out and looked down through the barrel, though, I was astounded to see the nicest, cleanest, strongest, most mirror bright rifling that I've ever seen in a military rifle in my life. It was as if my rifle, from 1941, had just walked out of a factory!
I haven't yet gotten to accuracy test it yet, but I'm not a strong shooter with irons anyway, so I have no doubt that it's capable of at least MOA accuracy. Surplus GP11 ammo is also impressive, and still within reasonable price. My K31 easily has some of the nicest tolerances and metalwork I've ever seen, and if I had the money to spare I'd buy a whole closet-full.
The only problem with it is that the bolt throw is very long, and so it's hard to maintain a cheek weld when firing, I find. You have to position yourself far back on the stock. It also only has side-mounted sling mounts, which get in the way when shooting and are wholly unsuited to sling-supported shooting. When you take that off, I find that the stock is incredibly well constructed and very comfortable. Definitely nicer than my Enfield or Mauser stocks by far.
I haven't yet gotten to accuracy test it yet, but I'm not a strong shooter with irons anyway, so I have no doubt that it's capable of at least MOA accuracy. Surplus GP11 ammo is also impressive, and still within reasonable price. My K31 easily has some of the nicest tolerances and metalwork I've ever seen, and if I had the money to spare I'd buy a whole closet-full.
The only problem with it is that the bolt throw is very long, and so it's hard to maintain a cheek weld when firing, I find. You have to position yourself far back on the stock. It also only has side-mounted sling mounts, which get in the way when shooting and are wholly unsuited to sling-supported shooting. When you take that off, I find that the stock is incredibly well constructed and very comfortable. Definitely nicer than my Enfield or Mauser stocks by far.
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I was on Classic Arms' site today and just looking over the four successive models they have on offer (I think made over a 30-40 yr span). I bought a Polish Tokarev from these guys last month and it's beautiful and a fine shooter. I need to research the multiple versions of 7.5s, but I've yet to hear a negative thing about them.
atblis
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Technically, the K31 is not a Schmidt Rubin.
Definitely buy one.
Definitely buy one.
Claude Clay
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k31 k1911 96/11
i re-load for all 3 and use components as from my 308's
expect little blueing but metal in excellent condition. and a bright shiny bore.
the wood may be eaten by beavers or used as tent posts...
mine are zeroed for 300 meers and are all sub 1moa at 100 yards.
i re-load for all 3 and use components as from my 308's
expect little blueing but metal in excellent condition. and a bright shiny bore.
the wood may be eaten by beavers or used as tent posts...
mine are zeroed for 300 meers and are all sub 1moa at 100 yards.
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I like 'em!
I was at the range a few months back, and this ol' boy was at the rifle range with his new toy. This was the only Schmidt that I've seen, and the first time I'd heard of one. He let me shoot a few rounds. It was simply a joy to shoot.
The 7.5×55mm is nothing to sneeze at... comparable to a .30-06 or .308. I'd imagine it is harder to find, though.
The gun was amazingly quiet and had minimal recoil, especially considering the size of the round. (Still use hearing protection!) I'm sure this is because of how heavy the gun is and how long of a barrel it has.
The straight-pull bolt was quite unusual but felt wonderful. One could easily become spoiled by the smoothness of this elegant action.
To address your question, I was about as accurate with that full-power rifle as I have been with any rifle. I won't give numbers because I'm no marksman, but it was more accurate than me.
It's not on my list to buy because of the "unusual" round, but I surely would not turn one down!
If you think you might want one, get it! You won't regret it.
I was at the range a few months back, and this ol' boy was at the rifle range with his new toy. This was the only Schmidt that I've seen, and the first time I'd heard of one. He let me shoot a few rounds. It was simply a joy to shoot.
The 7.5×55mm is nothing to sneeze at... comparable to a .30-06 or .308. I'd imagine it is harder to find, though.
The gun was amazingly quiet and had minimal recoil, especially considering the size of the round. (Still use hearing protection!) I'm sure this is because of how heavy the gun is and how long of a barrel it has.
The straight-pull bolt was quite unusual but felt wonderful. One could easily become spoiled by the smoothness of this elegant action.
To address your question, I was about as accurate with that full-power rifle as I have been with any rifle. I won't give numbers because I'm no marksman, but it was more accurate than me.
It's not on my list to buy because of the "unusual" round, but I surely would not turn one down!
If you think you might want one, get it! You won't regret it.
madcratebuilder
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Quality of work is excellent. The triggers are a work of art.
Most well have a bore that looks good, you should check for wear, per specification a new muzzle measures 7.51mm and shot out at 7.64mm. My K's are in the 7.55 to 7.57 range and are more accurate than I am. I found the straight pull bolt to be very smooth and prefer it to a normal turn bolt action.
The Swiss snipers are tanks.
Quality of work is excellent. The triggers are a work of art.
Most well have a bore that looks good, you should check for wear, per specification a new muzzle measures 7.51mm and shot out at 7.64mm. My K's are in the 7.55 to 7.57 range and are more accurate than I am. I found the straight pull bolt to be very smooth and prefer it to a normal turn bolt action.
The Swiss snipers are tanks.
jk2008
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If you do buy one, don't forget to check under the buttplate for the soldiers ID tag.
You can see some examples here: http://www.swissrifles.com/sr/tags/
You can see some examples here: http://www.swissrifles.com/sr/tags/
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