I don't mind or notice the grip angle "issue", I just think that the hump is perfect on the subcompacts, and could use some altering on the compacts. I think if they were slightly shorter front to back and the hump was altered so that it always ended up nice and tight like the placement of the subcompacts (which I love, I don't use magazine extensions on them either, except GAP plates) they would fit my hands much better.
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I think I would agree with this as a general statement. Of all the Glock owners I know personally (several), I just really never hear them complaining about the grip or the "hump." The hump actually fits my hands fine, maybe my hands are German/Austrian?
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Seems kind of silly you would use them then. I would also think that most Glock owners are fine with the grip angle. It just doesn't seem logical all these people would keep buying a gun if they "hate hate" the part they have to hold it by.
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I use and own a ton of guns. I happen to come across great deals on glocks from time to time and i jump on them.. usually for a decent profit.
My current glock is the 23c. The shorter glocks I don't notice the grip angle or bump as much as the larger models. For me that makes them worth owning.
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Thanks, Reaper.
My only concern is, how much longer are the Gen 3s going to remain in production? I can't imagine more than a year.
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GEN 3 will remain in production indefinitely.
JOe,
I own the RTF 9mm Glock 19, had to use a fine file to make it perfect, BUT, you can not wear it concealed, your clothes catch on it, but for my IDPA gun, perfect.
I dry fired when I changed from Colt .45, to Glock 17 in 1984. Over and over, and over!
When I draw and punch the G19 out, sights are dead on, perfect alignment, right from under my cover garment.
I held the Gen4 Model22, for a while, perfect!! Tight enough to grip, smooth enough to wear. Looks like when the Gen4 Glock 19 comes out, must get one! The G17 is out now.
StarDust1
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Glocks don't lack a safety, certain shooters lack the discipline to keep their fingers where they belong, police carried revolvers for decades with virtually the identical method of activation in place, if the trigger thing is a problem for you, then you're carrying the wrong pistol!
Most people like the Glock just the way it is, those who are prone to modify them are largely the same crew that are easily convinced by gun publications that every gun must be a custom effort to be of any value, which is of course ridiculous, indeed, the only people I've ever encountered that insist on these, or any "modifications" to the Glock, are those that simply don't like the pistol, period!
Onesiphorus
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When they hit the stores , buy a Gen 3 at a good price.
A standard Glock with a 5.5 lb trigger pull and a long stroke DA revolver with a 10-12 lb pull have next to nothing in common.
Not every possible shooter out there could possibly enjoy various Glock "features" such as the "hump," the finger bumpers, the grip angle, and the mag release, all of which have come in for valid criticism about the way Glock has gone about its design.
People on the whole are not clones of the folks who find the Gen 3 Glocks "perfect." Glocks present hurdles to user friendliness that many shooters do not appreciate, some of whom have little or no choice in the matter of which pistol they use, having them issued to them on the job.
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StrikeFire83
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Yes, I agree that debates about humps, grip angles, and the lack of a safety are pretty stupid.
I go back and forth between my Glock 17 and CZ-75 at will at the range and don't have any problems adjusting to bumps or angles. Glocks seem to ride a bit lower in my hand, and I change the way I aim, and the shots go right where I want them to.
If you want a pistol with a different grip angle or a manual safety, then buy a pistol with a different grip angle and a manual safety.
If you want a Glock, then buy a Glock. There are plenty of great platforms out there right now, and if you don't like something then don't shoot it. I personally think 1911s are ****, but for other people they're great. They shoot the gun they want and so do I.
Buy and shoot what you like.
I go back and forth between my Glock 17 and CZ-75 at will at the range and don't have any problems adjusting to bumps or angles. Glocks seem to ride a bit lower in my hand, and I change the way I aim, and the shots go right where I want them to.
If you want a pistol with a different grip angle or a manual safety, then buy a pistol with a different grip angle and a manual safety.
If you want a Glock, then buy a Glock. There are plenty of great platforms out there right now, and if you don't like something then don't shoot it. I personally think 1911s are ****, but for other people they're great. They shoot the gun they want and so do I.
Buy and shoot what you like.
LiveLife
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I have been a long time fan of Glocks, but will ADMIT they have issues that Glock has addressed over time - Bad non-dropfree mags to Gen 3 dropfree mags, loose tolerances getting tighter, better captured recoil spring set (remember the loose coiled springs?), less supported chambers to better supported chambers on newer models, etc.
Whether we agree with the changes (I personally do not like the RTF for bare hands but someone who wears gloves will love the RTF and the 45 GAP, etc.), what's important is that we have ANOTHER gun manufacturer choice for us shooters who is trying out different innovations to IMPROVE gun choices for us.
And I think competition is good, period - and the improvements XD and M&P made over the Glocks will simply force Glock to make better pistols - What's wrong with that?
As to adjustable backstrap, it provides more grip options.
Looking at the Gen4 G22 pictures, I like the Triple-spring? setup and the adjustable backstraps: (Due to the larger captured spring set, new slide won't be interchangeable with Gen3 G22 frame)
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/25/glock-gen4-unveiled/
"So just to summarize all the point about the Glock Gen4 ..."
* Initially Glock 17 (9mm) and Glock 22 (.40 S&W) will be available. Compact models will follow later in 2010.
* Features dual (triple I think?) recoil spring.
* Features Swappable backstraps.
* Magazine release swappable between left and right.
* Old magazines still work, but only when mag release is on left side.
* Gen4 slide is clearly marked as "Gen4".
* Retail price for G17 and G22 Gen4 is about $700 (actual prices will be lower than this).
* Glock will cease sales of the 3rd Generation and RTF models.
And if this poster is correct from thefirearmblog link, Gen5 Glocks with external hammer and inertia powered recoil management will be very interesting indeed: (I had Haarts Mercury Filled delayed recoil reducer spring set in one of my modified 1911s to improve recoil and maybe Glock is going to liquid filled recoil spring set or system similar to recoil system found in some shotguns?).
http://thehighroad.org/search.php?searchid=6984851
Whether we agree with the changes (I personally do not like the RTF for bare hands but someone who wears gloves will love the RTF and the 45 GAP, etc.), what's important is that we have ANOTHER gun manufacturer choice for us shooters who is trying out different innovations to IMPROVE gun choices for us.
And I think competition is good, period - and the improvements XD and M&P made over the Glocks will simply force Glock to make better pistols - What's wrong with that?
As to adjustable backstrap, it provides more grip options.
Looking at the Gen4 G22 pictures, I like the Triple-spring? setup and the adjustable backstraps: (Due to the larger captured spring set, new slide won't be interchangeable with Gen3 G22 frame)
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/25/glock-gen4-unveiled/
"So just to summarize all the point about the Glock Gen4 ..."
* Initially Glock 17 (9mm) and Glock 22 (.40 S&W) will be available. Compact models will follow later in 2010.
* Features dual (triple I think?) recoil spring.
* Features Swappable backstraps.
* Magazine release swappable between left and right.
* Old magazines still work, but only when mag release is on left side.
* Gen4 slide is clearly marked as "Gen4".
* Retail price for G17 and G22 Gen4 is about $700 (actual prices will be lower than this).
* Glock will cease sales of the 3rd Generation and RTF models.
And if this poster is correct from thefirearmblog link, Gen5 Glocks with external hammer and inertia powered recoil management will be very interesting indeed: (I had Haarts Mercury Filled delayed recoil reducer spring set in one of my modified 1911s to improve recoil and maybe Glock is going to liquid filled recoil spring set or system similar to recoil system found in some shotguns?).
http://thehighroad.org/search.php?searchid=6984851
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[Darth Vader]NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO![/Darth Vader]
LiveLife
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I don't think they will SWITCH the entire line to external hammer. I think they may introduce SOME models with external hammer.
Like Sig/S&W/Taurus, maybe Glock is considering selling 1911 models?
That would be a cool idea and finally all of us Glock/1911 crowds can be friends again.
LiveLife
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I started out shooting a full size single stack 1911 and found the grip size, grip angle, mag release and trigger very natural with natural point of aim. Try pointing your handgun at a door knob without looking at the sights and see if they "naturally" line up.
Switching to Glocks made me "adapt" to them. My first response to Glock grip/trigger/mag/slide release was "Ugh, I got some work to do". Over the past several decades, Glocks have proven themselves to be very reliable "combat" shooters. I have found that Glocks are quite accurate and shoot better under panic/stress than any other guns I tested during our range panic/stress shooting sessions. But they are not the most accurate or the best ergonomic handguns on the market currently because many manufacturers have since released many improved models.
The Glock vs XD vs M&P competition will just improve the whole industry just like racing has improved the car industry as a whole. I think Glock trying to improve upon Gen3 models on Gen4 is a healthy thing and look forward to improvements Glock will make on future models. Of course, I hope other manufacturer don't sit idle and continue to improve their models too.
Never know, in another 10 years, we may be shooting Glocks with naturally pointing ergonomic grips with smooth trigger and ergonomic slide/mag release - I can't wait.
StarDust1
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"Ahh" how old are you? The only people who complain of safety devices and Glocks in the same sentence, are those with very poor shooting habits, or very little practical shooting experience, if you had any understanding of the mechanics invloved you'd understand how silly you just came across as, particularly as you preceded your comments with an attempt at a personal attack, then tried to equate safety with trigger pull resistance, which is not only wrong, but ridiculous....I'm sorry that the truth is such an elusive concept for you, but your ignorance is actually rather profound, you keep your finger off of the trigger of a gun unless you intend to fire it, when you claim that 5.5 lbs of pull is unsafe you're essentially saying that you cannot discipline yourself to the extent of being able to control the mechanism...
Thus, you've no business placing your hands on any firearm whatsoever!
StarDust1,
Applied safeties are largely a liability issue. Say your a LEO. If you draw your pistol and a button gets caught in the trigger guard, causing the weapon to discharge, then someone has to be responsible....especially if someone gets hurt. IF the weapon has a manually applied safety then YOU are at fault for disengaging it. If no applied safety then what? Design defect? Not according to the companies! They say "Train your people!" So now, if this involved an officer, the city is liable.....which the city and it's insurance carrier have no interest in. As far as some policy makers are concerned there always has to be an "out" for the city....and that will always mean more and more personal liability on the shoulders of the individual LEOs.
So.....there is a movement to have LEOs armed only with pistols that have Manually applied safeties....think of it as the progression of all of these agencies that have for years required DAO duty guns.
That said, for accidental discharge, there is a big difference between a trigger pull that the guns' own weight can discharge, and a 10# double action revolver which can be twirlled like, well, a sixgun. (DON"T EVER DO THIS!!! IT IS STUPID AND DANGEROUS.)
Applied safeties are largely a liability issue. Say your a LEO. If you draw your pistol and a button gets caught in the trigger guard, causing the weapon to discharge, then someone has to be responsible....especially if someone gets hurt. IF the weapon has a manually applied safety then YOU are at fault for disengaging it. If no applied safety then what? Design defect? Not according to the companies! They say "Train your people!" So now, if this involved an officer, the city is liable.....which the city and it's insurance carrier have no interest in. As far as some policy makers are concerned there always has to be an "out" for the city....and that will always mean more and more personal liability on the shoulders of the individual LEOs.
So.....there is a movement to have LEOs armed only with pistols that have Manually applied safeties....think of it as the progression of all of these agencies that have for years required DAO duty guns.
That said, for accidental discharge, there is a big difference between a trigger pull that the guns' own weight can discharge, and a 10# double action revolver which can be twirlled like, well, a sixgun. (DON"T EVER DO THIS!!! IT IS STUPID AND DANGEROUS.)
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BS...
StarDust1
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The thing is, Glock has already addressed this tendency of poorly trained operators, who suffer brain disconect whilst in the act of drawing, or holstering the firearm, and unintentionally discharging the mechanism.
What the real issue is, are people who are so lazy & undisciplined that they insist on placing their little fingers somewhere they don't belong, or before they belong there!
For such minded individuals, Glock(in cooperation with NY-LE)developed two other trigger modules, NY1 & NY2 which are "literally" identical to the pull on a service grade DA revolver....
Further, if the Glock doesn't fit the human hand in question(rare, but possible)then they should not be carrying, or issued one under any circumstances!(I have no issues with the new frame & it's inserts)
Nonsense. Did they keep the Gen 2?
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LiveLife
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I thought this thread was about the Gen4 Glocks ....
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REAPER4206969
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The GEN 2 was not functionally different from the GEN 3. If Glock stops production of the GEN 3 they will not have spare parts for the millions of GEN 1/2/3 Glock's currently in service. Also, the GEN 4 will not be able to be sold in California due to not having a magazine disconnect. Only the GEN 3 is approved for sale.
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LiveLife
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Gen4 has larger captured spring set and different slide/frame than Gen3 and thus not interchangeable (in contrast, you can put Gen3 slide on older Gen2/Gen1).
Glock will have to provide spare parts for Gen3/Gen2/Gen1 going forward with Gen4. Not sure how this will play out as it looks like Gen3 will be phased out.
It may be smart marketing ploy by Glock to force LE/consumers to replace Gen3 with Gen4 models as they have a very large customer base who already own Glocks.
I am sure Glock will make sure Gen4 will be sold in California - in time.
Glock will have to provide spare parts for Gen3/Gen2/Gen1 going forward with Gen4. Not sure how this will play out as it looks like Gen3 will be phased out.
It may be smart marketing ploy by Glock to force LE/consumers to replace Gen3 with Gen4 models as they have a very large customer base who already own Glocks.
I am sure Glock will make sure Gen4 will be sold in California - in time.
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